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Gearing up for the review (and the Raid).

Destiny 2 is out now on Xbox One and PS4. I've played enough to put up a review in progress, but I still have a lot more to play before I can give my final review. Here I'll be detailing my day-by-day activities and impressions as I gear up for the Raid next Wednesday. Check back for impressions on the story, Strikes, PvP, and more, and keep an eye on our Destiny 2 news and guides roundup for everything else.

Editor's note: We've updated this article with a new entry. For previous entries, please scroll down. -- Kallie Plagge, September 12, 2017 3:00 PM PT

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Day 7: The Rat King

I had to apologize to the four other people in my house this morning, because at midnight, I was straight-up yelling. After two hours of trying, we finally did it. We got Rat King.

These are mild post-game spoilers, sort of, but these are the basics: Rat King is an Exotic sidearm that gets more powerful the more people in your Fireteam are using it. To get it, you have to complete a series of quest steps that culminate in completing the week's timed Nightfall Strike with five minutes or more remaining. It's not particularly easy.

Ben, Jean-Luc, and I wanted to get Rat King before the weekly reset at 2 AM PT on Tuesday, since we'd successfully run the Nightfall already and figured we had a shot. We started at 9:30 PM and stopped counting our many attempts after three (because the third time's the charm). The thing is, sidearms are generally considered a weak and undesirable weapon type, and none of us intend to use Rat King regularly--but we really wanted the satisfaction of getting it. And at midnight, we did it, and it was the best.

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Those are the kinds of moments that are going to keep me coming back to Destiny 2. The story might be basic and uninteresting, and certain characters' "witty" dialogue might be a bit much at times, but I (and most people I know) don't play Destiny for a spectacular narrative. I'm happy to have a more fleshed-out world and actual context this time around, since it's just enough to prop up the things about Destiny 2 that work well.

This will be my last entry before the final review, since I'm now making the final preparations before heading into the belly of the beast tomorrow. Expect the full review later in the week, once I've made it through the Raid. (Also, wish me luck.)

Day 6: Nightfall

After a weekend of playing, jumping up 30 or so Power levels, I couldn't sleep last night. I'm fully in just-one-more-thing mode. Just one more challenge. Just one more round in the Crucible. Just one more hour and maybe I'll get the gear I never knew I needed. I'm at 269 Power as of Monday afternoon, and there's still so much to do.

On Sunday, I teamed up with GameSpot's Jean-Luc and Ben to run the Nightfall Strike. If you aren't familiar, it's a much harder version of an existing Strike mission with a time limit and other changes meant to throw a wrench in your Fireteam's plans. We went in pretty confident--we all easily cleared the recommended 240 Power for the Nightfall, and we had a good Hunter/Hunter/Titan comp--but we failed. Twice. Because we weren't reading the directions.

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We broke for dinner after two failed attempts only to realize we'd missed a key modifier that would have made the Strike a breeze. (I won't spoil it here if you haven't done it, but it involves a bit of reading and strong team communication as you go.) But the process of collectively understanding a strategy in a group, and the excited yelling that went with it, was the most fun I've had in Destiny 2 so far.

I definitely feel more accomplished, or maybe more rewarded, than I did in the first Destiny. Grinding and repetition still exist, but the benefits you get from grinding are more immediate; getting to the late-game stuff isn't the frustrating slog it used to be. I'm technically Raid-ready at 269 Power, and I've only been properly "grinding" the most lucrative activities (like Heroic Public Events) since Friday.

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But it doesn't feel like Baby Mode Destiny, either. There's one post-game quest that requires you to beat the Nightfall with five minutes remaining, which Jean-Luc, Ben and I were sure was impossible after running out of time twice in a row. (We'll probably try again tonight, before the weekly reset hits, now that we've run it THREE TIMES.)

My first impression of Destiny 2 was that it was just more Destiny, and that's technically true to a point. But in nearly every aspect of the game I've seen so far, something is different enough to dramatically change how accessible and engaging the "same" formula can be. There are certainly moments and missions that you have to just get through, like a couple Strikes with uninspired objectives, but they're not so obtrusive that they leave a bitter taste going into the endgame stuff.

Day 3: PvP? Yeah You Know Me

I didn't do a lot of PvP in Destiny 1. I had a few bad games one night and, frustrated, decided that the Crucible just wasn't for me.

I was terrified to enter the Crucible in Destiny 2.

After exactly one game, I realized that I was very, very wrong about PvP. I went in with my trusty Graviton Lance and new, crazy-cool Exotic gauntlets with a SKULL and SPINE running down one arm, but absolute garbage for the rest of my armor… and I actually did very well. I was surprised, mainly, because I switched to my Gunslinger subclass to take advantage of my gauntlets' passive abilities, and I've put no time or upgrade points into it whatsoever.

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Level advantages are disabled in the Crucible, which means you can hold your own even at level 1, with a low Power level, against higher-level players. I'll keep messing around in the Crucible to see just how balanced it is (and to get some sweet loot, obviously), but I'm having a ton of fun with it so far.

I'm signing off for the weekend as I dive completely into Destiny 2, but check back Monday for more updates. Clans just launched, so I'll be checking that out along with more Strikes and some general Raid prep. We also have tons of guides and the latest news, including how to get certain Exotics, in our Destiny 2 hub, plus a new weekly Let's Play, Destiny's Children.

Day 2: Ups And (Server) Downs

So, my progress was kind of derailed last night by server issues on PS4. I'd wanted to run some Strikes, but a bunch of us around the GameSpot office were locked out of the game. I spent about an hour intermittently trying to sign in before I gave up.

I thought a lot about what makes Destiny fun, or specifically, I guess, what makes it a game I want to keep playing. I like grinding in games, and I like a feel-good combat feedback loop. A certain kind of repetition is therapeutic for me. I stopped playing the original Destiny because the repetition wasn't balanced by anything else; I didn't really play with other people, and running the same Strike for the hundredth time by myself was a special kind of lonely.

Thankfully, I now have tons of people to play with (when the servers work). That's one of the missing pieces, found. But I think that Destiny 2's core changes--the greater variety in activities, the once-hidden lore now brought to the surface, the increased focus on character and personality--has made playing alone better, too.

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I finished the last story mission this morning. Overall, it's a pretty standard save-the-world story with some cheesy moments, but it capitalizes on Destiny's most interesting narrative trait: its lore. I won't spoil anything, but I was satisfied and maybe even a bit emotional about the ending. A little worldbuilding goes a long way.

I've reached max level, 20. I also found a stronger version of the Graviton Lance, my beloved pulse rifle, and am no longer indebted to the annoying NPC Asher. (Sure, there's a lot more "character" to the characters, but some are better than others. My favorite is the deranged AI, Failsafe.) Crossing my fingers that I'll actually get to some Strikes tonight.

Day 1: The Replay Day

My review in progress is based on my experience at a Bungie event a few weeks ago, where I'd played Destiny 2 on a dummy account. My first day with the game at launch--with my own account and character--has mostly just been replaying the story missions and side activities I've already completed. It's… actually kind of nice.

I played the original on Xbox One and switched to PS4 for Destiny 2. I wouldn't call myself a hardcore Destiny 1 player, but I did play through Year One and all the expansions and spent a decent amount of time grinding. Leaving behind my old character wasn't as hard as I'd anticipated, though. I like having the opportunity to start fresh with a game that's already more compelling than its predecessor, one that I can see myself committing to in a more substantial way, without having to worry about catching up to the people who have been playing regularly this entire time. And surprisingly, replaying the story isn't the slog I thought it would be.

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Part of that is due to using my own character and knowing that the loot and gear I get is mine to keep. But for the first time in my history with Destiny, I'm also properly invested in the story and characters. The dialogue can be a bit cheesy at times, but the characters are more three-dimensional and have more personality. There's also plenty of lore peppered in thanks to quips from your Ghost and items you can scan in the environment. Because the story missions (and in many cases, the side Adventure missions) give the proper background to contextualize your actions, it feels like you're doing something of substance, rather than running through missions as a means to an end.

I also tried the story and side missions with a Fireteam of myself and one other person, which worked seamlessly--neither of us lagged, and from what we could tell, we were watching the same cutscenes at the same time with no delays.

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The coolest thing that came of of co-op, though, was the discovery that dialogue does indeed change if you import a Destiny 1 character rather than making a new one. My friend had imported his character (we're both Hunters), and certain conversations were slightly different between the two of us. Where my Ghost gave me a basic introduction to the Taken, for example, his reminded him of the time they beat Oryx and questioned why the Taken would have returned.

At the end of Day 1, I'm at level 15 and have a pretty sweet exotic pulse rifle courtesy of mad scientist Asher. (It's called the Graviton Lance, and it's a nice first exotic.) I otherwise kind of hate Asher.

Though I've only replayed things I've already done, I'm still excited about Destiny 2. I can't wait to find my next exotic weapon, but I'm also looking forward to completing more Adventure missions and learning more about the world. My next step is to finish the story, reach level 20, and run some Strikes, so check back soon for more impressions.

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Kallie Plagge was GameSpot's reviews editor from August 2018 to March 2021. She loves Pokemon, inventory management, and Grunt Birthday Party.

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Tried to play evening and current EST time. So far I cannot get over 5 minutes of continuous play without getting kick out. It is very frustrating.

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@mauldigger: What system?

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@Mogan: xbox

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@mauldigger: Huh. I'm on Xbox too, but I've only had the game tell me it couldn't find a match once. I logged out and back in and got right into the game. Haven't been kicked out yet.

Maybe it's a location thing. : \

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@mauldigger: what platform are you on? Xbox? Im just curious because i haven't yet had any issues on playstation but my friend mentioned he was having some issues getting online with xbox.

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@p1p3dream: yes xbox. I will try my playstation today and do a

comparision

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@mauldigger: hah, we all asked you at once. I haven't heared any issues from any of my mates, and we've been playing a few long sessions on playstation. Maybe it was more popular on xbox or something? Regardless, im sure its just new release glitches and will get ironed out fast. Let us know. If you have trouble on your playstation tho. Feel free to add me on PSN: p1p3dream if you want to play

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Had a chance to play 5 hrs and it's really fun. I love the public events, it really feels like a warzone... :D

The adventures are nice and the stream of new gear is steady.

It's a feeling I haven't had since Diablo 3...

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Apparently the pro version is broken and keeps crashing. According to my mate who ended up installing it on a standard ps4 just to play it anyway.

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@deviltaz35: From what I understand its a hardware problem that is afflicting a specific batch of PSPros. I am running a PSpro, and I haven't run into any problems and I've been playing.... heavily. :)

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@deviltaz35: im 15 hours in on my pro. No issues here.

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@gaminsincepong: Fair enough :) seeing it is online it may just be overloaded servers. I was just mucking around i don't even play Destiny. My mate was just looking forward to it though but chances are if it was crashing on his pro it is going to crash on his ps4 as well . He's using a new NBN service in Australia which is suspect to say the least for so many people depending on where they are located.

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@deviltaz35: I think there is a bad batch of PSpro's :(. I've heard about this game crashing, as well as Tomb Raider. I think it has something to do with games that use 4k resolution because that seems to be the common demoninator of the games that are crashing. He shouldn't have any problems with his vanilla PS4.

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@deviltaz35: not all pros

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@siarhei: lol they are all the same. So laughable when people pretend theirs is excluded kind of cute really.

It's like screen tearing ''Didn't happen on my console'' lol

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@deviltaz35: Not necessarily, in mass production of any product you will ALWAYS have a small percentage that come off the assembly line with defects. And sometimes companys my end up sourcing the internal electronics from a different vendor for a certain amount due to inventory issues. There is really all kinds of things that can lead up to a situation where you have a bad batch of product.

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@deviltaz35: Uh-huh.. So me playing 5 hrs on my pro with no issues was what, a dream?

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@siarhei: isn't this all just a dream?

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@siarhei: Didn't you read what i put above?

''Fair enough :) seeing it is online it may just be overloaded servers. I was just mucking around i don't even play Destiny. My mate was just looking forward to it though but chances are if it was crashing on his pro it is going to crash on his ps4 as well . He's using a new NBN service in Australia which is suspect to say the least for so many people depending on where they are located.''

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People are going ham on this game, I am level 6 right now, but im walking around seeing people at level cap with exotic gear etc and I just dont get why the rush. Ive been chilling enjoying the scenevery and taking it slow.

No need to rush this badboy imo.

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@donjuancorleone: i so agree with you. This game is bloody BEAUTIFUL. It kind of breaks my heart when people just run 5,000mph through a map. Playing with my friends, im always left trailing behind because im just gawking at everything. The amount of detail is really wonderful, and the 4k resolution is especially gorgeous.

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@p1p3dream: right! I've been so distracted too by public events and finding lost sectors etc that I have only just unlocked Titan.

I think they should have not released the raid so soon. People are rushing to get leveled up for that.

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@donjuancorleone: In their partial defense, the story missions do give you at least one exotic about halfway through. : p

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@Mogan: ah that makes sense. I gotta get that!

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So Destiny1 all over again: Finished the campaign and hit max level in a couple of days, online server issues prevalent, and now it's all grinding from here.

...all for the low price of $60.

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@Pyrosa: and that takes like 15-30 hours depending on your playstyle. Considering the average AAA release these days is around 10hours, i would say its actually pretty great for 60 bucks.

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@p1p3dream: The average AAA game is 10 hours? And just where did you get that nonsense information from?

Don't tell us, we all know where you got that 'fact' from.

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@p1p3dream: so how does it compare to halo 1 to 3 for sp?

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@Pyrosa: It's a loot game. Of course there's grinding.

If this was Halo, you'd have finished the campaign in a couple of days, there'd be no leveling or grinding, you'd have pvp and that'd be it. All for the low price of $60.

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@Mogan: But really, REALLY good PvP, with lots of modes and vehicles...

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@Pyrosa: Ehh, good is a matter of taste. Fact of the matter is that, after you beat Halo's campaign, you're just playing multiplayer. Destiny is a bigger game, and costs the same amount.

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If anybody wants a peice of me in Cucible, come and get it

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@gaminsincepong: see you on the field!

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I believe that when it comes to ratings, people naturally think in a 1 through 5 scale. GS uses a 1 through 10, which doesn't make all that much sense. For most people, and if they use ratings to decide what to buy, would rarely buy anything that gets a rating between 1 and 5 (GS rates these as 5 = Mediocre, 4 = Poor, 3 = Bad, 2 = Terrible, 1 = Abysmal). I see very little difference between the meaning of 5 and the meaning of 1. I wouldn't buy either (even if it was on sale). Would you buy a game that's rated a 3 because it's not rated a 2 (i.e bad vs terrible)? ;)

So with that, the real scale we're dealing with is 6 through 10 (10 = Essential, 9 = Superb, 8 = Great, 7 = Good, 6 = Fair). I personally feel that if a game is worse than a 6, it's not even worth the time and effort to publish a review. Or just simply say "avoid" and don't even leave a rating (because like I said, not much difference between mediocre and abysmal).

GS gave the original a 6. Is Destiny 2 a big step up? I highly doubt it, but it probably has some polish. So I'd be really surprised if GS gives D2 anything more than a 7 and anything less than a 6. It's a big release, so a 5 or less is likely out of the question.

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@steele_johnson: I think of game ratings on a scale of 0-100 which is what GS used to use as well as many other game sites and magazines. 0-5 is far too simple and 0-10 isn't much better but then I guess that tells you something about the demographic who read these sites.

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@steele_johnson: Destiny 2 is a big step up compared to Destiny when it got a 6 here. It's a small step up compared to Destiny last week.

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I give the game a 7 or an 8. The story is improved, the graphics are improved. You get more of the same with more polish. The gun play is great.

Voice acting and dialogue is atrocious and transition still needs some improvement. There haven't been any real "wow" moments, either.

Music is definitely solid, though, and as I said the gun play is great.

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@AncientDozer: I really love the game, but as far as review, I totally agree with your brief analysis. Well, with the exception I don't think the voice acting is ATROCIOUS, ive definitely heard far far worse. In Fact Andromeda was defintely worse. But its certainly nothing to highlight. The music is phenomenal.

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@AncientDozer: I agree, well said.

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hope this one is better than the previous one.

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Playing Destiny is like masterbating without the payoff!

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Looking for Clan members.................

Must have 3 characters on Destiny 1 with max light.

Must have Gally.

Must have Thorn.

Must be married.

Able to play between the hours of 7pm-10pm PST.

Must at least observe Christmas, New Years,Presidents day, leap year, and Blackfriday as non working holidays.

Must have blood type O-.

Have at least 1mb download,and 0.5mb upload internet.

Must think the greatest album ever is The Jimi Hendrix Experience!

No skinny jeans.

If you use axe products because you really think chicks like it do not apply.

Leave your left testicle as a deposit. If you do not have a left then the right will do.

Annual income of at least 20k a year non student. 10k a year student.

Must hate the color magenta.

Absolutely must identify as a rub-ix cube.

If You own a pair of pastel Doc Martens do not apply.

if your profile pictures look like they were shot and art directed by Terry Richardson do not apply.

If you continually have the conversation that your city does not have nearly enough combinations for cyclists, and how frustrated you are with the city council’s inactivity on the subject do not apply.

if the most exciting thing that’s happened to you in recent memory is a Trader Joe’s/Whole Foods opening up in your neighborhood do not apply!

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@sdecker425: This all seems legit, give me your postal address and I'll mail you my gamertag so you can add me.

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@sdecker425: can I sign a waiver for the pastel shoes?

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@sellingthings: he mixed his blow with some sherm.

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@sdecker425: WTF

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@hishamramzan:

He's making a joke.

Have you never seen the absurd requirements some guilds and clans in games like Destiny or WoW put out that people must comply with?

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@AncientDozer: THIS WAS A JOKE?

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@AncientDozer: I know he was just joking, I was just playing along

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