Pachter warns Wii U will finish a 'distant third' behind PS4 and Xbox One

@dummpymonkey123 @thijs-x @torreth1 @jd7904 toss in an occasional gamecube game while you're at it, you'd be surprised how well they hold up.

@jd7904 I like em all, and play em all, from Forza, F-zero and grand turismo to Resident evil, street fighter, zelda, and Myst. It's all about variety for me. Hell, I even freakin LOVE Kirby's Dream Course. Does that make me a softy, and not a "hardcore gamer"? What does that mean, anyway?

@thijs-x @torreth1 @jd7904 I think you should try a wii just because it has the ability to do both yes you sacrifice power but the gain in innovation and play-ability in my opinion is well worth it

@torreth1 @thijs-x @jd7904 It really depends on what you find enjoyable Torreth1. I'd recommend to at least check it out, and certainly not write it off as an inferior machine. If anything, it's a bold machine, that has superb experiences waiting for you.

some of the best games of all time could run on the graphics chip in your phone. graphics dont make the gameplay better, just makes it prettier. Also some of the most beautiful games was because of art style, not the hardware. Okami, Muramasa and Jet Set Radio are good examples. What kind of games do you like? RPG, Platform, Shooter??

@jd7904 @thijs-x I know, and I respect your opinion. I actually agree with you, and what you say makes sense. I'm more into the art side of video games with a deep sense of immersion and story (Windwaker was absolutely fantastic) than a quick fix with graphics that are considered to be superb. But hey, sometimes I put in a round of Street fighter or MW3, also great once in a while. It's all good. I'm glad companies have different perspectives, that makes the whole video game thing more rounded and complete.

@thijs-x @jd7904 Perhaps I should buy a wii U then. I've always had the assumption that power=ability=more enjoyment. At least thats what I've been lead to believe.

@thijs-x I wasn't disagreeing with you.

@jd7904 @thijs-x it really depends on what is considered to be enjoyable, and what the state of mind of the producer is. For instance, Miyamoto asks himself frequently if what he's making would be enjoyable to himself, without influences and opinions from outside. This way of making a video game approaches art, and is irrespective of how you make it. Miyamoto is more of an artist than the dude that made MW3

@thijs-x focusing on gameplay and completeness over graphics, physics engines, and realism of 3d models would seem to make more sense

@torreth1 @thijs-x @PosiTVEMinD355 @dummpymonkey123 I understand your reservations torreth1, but I think dummpymonkey123 makes a point. Nintendo puts emphasis on quality gameplay, while other companies focus more on graphics and quicker fixes, that are catered to the target population. Both can take a long time to produce, but the end product can be vastly different, and influences longevity of a game substantially.

@dummpymonkey123 @torreth1 @thijs-x @PosiTVEMinD355 That would be valuable reasoning to me and quite logical. I have noticed PS games have become incredibly "satisfied with one play through" oriented despite the cost of the game. I would hold on to a game if it retained high replay value.

@dummpymonkey123 As an example I have replayed Super Mario 64 50x and still enjoy it, but I can't bring myself to go and replay through Jak and Daxter. J&D is a good game but there are some things that were just not very well thought out.

@torreth1 @thijs-x @PosiTVEMinD355 Majority of Nintendo games have high resale value because the quality of the game provides usually 100's of hrs n terms of replay value most games don't have that and thats the reason I believe a gorgeous game like Last of us isnt worth 60 at all

@thijs-x @PosiTVEMinD355 @torreth1 I have reservations. These games take years to produce on all of these systems and have different parties on all sides. For your assertion to be correct one would have to prove the length of time it takes to produce a game matched against its difficulty in creating its superiour quality as well as an objective opinion about the said quality of the game. It could be that the games stay more expensive in Nintendos resale bin because they cost more to produce, or people tend to hold on to the games due to various factors that drive the price up.

@PosiTVEMinD355 @torreth1 @thijs-x that sums it up.

@torreth1 @thijs-x I think that for Nintendo, cranking out quality is on the top of their list, regardless of time lines, demands, and sales. They actually want to bring something new, even if that involves massive risks. I call that hardcore, and bold. The result is solid games that are relevant for a long time. MS and Sony apply a relatively safe and more business-oriented approach. Regardless of essential quality, they prefer to sell quick and dirty, based on popularity and ease.

@torreth1 @thijs-x He's saying, in a way, that games from Nintendo are usually worth it, hence the reason why they always have a high resale value. Whereas every PS3 or 360 game, eventually will make it to the $9.99 bin

@thijs-x @torreth1 So you are seeming to say it comes down to customer satisfaction with Nintendo more so than the others? You believe Nintendo might be slow but only because the bottom line isnt as important? Im not saying your wrong.

@dummpymonkey123 @jd7904 fair enough, it's all just opinion and conjecture at this point anyhow.

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@jd7904 @torreth1 you put that dam good lol

@torreth1 That's just what the media is pushing right now. They did the same with 360 vs PS3 and ignored the Wii. How did that turn out? the X1 and PS4 are almost the exact same thing, locked down PCs. It is redundant to have both an X1 and PS4 because of the fact that 90% of the games can be played on both. The Wii U will not be as successful as the wii but Nintendo has earned more trust from consumers than MS could ever hope to imagine

@sladakrobot @jd7904 I would say go for it if you need the controller and like red. Seems fair enough. the special edition didnt come out here in the US. the game itself is going for $100 used on amazon disc only

@jd7904 It seems here in Germany the game is not much in demans i guess.
The new game costs here around 50 euros and used about 33.
The special edition incl. the red controller new 99 euros,used 55.
Can you recommend the special edition since i will need the classic controller anyway?

@sladakrobot xenoblade has gone through the roof price wise you better get on it.

@jd7904 The only Langrisser i played was on the Mega Drive,great game...i dont want to know how many Langrisser games since then appeared only in Japan :(

@sladakrobot @jd7904 me too as well as langrisser and growlanser series.

@jd7904 I was looking back then for Sega to release them outside of Japan on Saturn or Dreamcast but they never did :(
Strange/nice to see a western release on a Nintendo console lol

@sladakrobot @jd7904 yes. It's so different than almost anything else you will ever play. it's very refreshing. It's like a dating sim mixed with a SRPG. We never get them here in the US, but in Japan they're huge

@dummpymonkey123 @torreth1 The most irritating fact is that the Wii U could seriously give them a run for their money. It really come down to theme. Even with less power the Wii U could stand quite a chance at stirring up the pot, but only if they are willing to travel deep into rival territory. Nintendo has innovating prowess much more so than the competion but wont expand to all ages and tastes equally.

@torreth1 Your wrong but I understand where your coming from and once Nintendo gets going watch them catch like a wild fire the Ps4 and Xbone unfortunately are old news

@dummpymonkey123 @krystyla @bgna8980 Its not next-gen because even though it's trying to offer games similar to those released on sony and microsoft consoles, its specs limit its capability. It inhibits it from progressing. It is a big step for nintendo exclusives being upscaled in HD but apart from its exclusives there is nothing affiliated with being next-gen here.

@krystyla @dummpymonkey123 @bgna8980 How is it not a Next gen system ???

@dummpymonkey123 @bgna8980 You have a point but the pricing is already close to the next-gen sony and microsoft consoles, already. There were a couple of reasons the Wii sold well. 1) Innovative 2) Exclusives 3) Price . The original wii had costed $250, and offered an incentive for families to purchase them. A lot of families bought it for Wii Sports, but there isn't much WiiU can offer. It has worse specs than current gen consoles. Which brings to my next point, why does it have the current gen games on it and is a poor port of them. I understand it offers variety but now families won't see the console as something for family and kids to enjoy together and would categorize it along the lines of the current gen games.

@dummpymonkey123 @bgna8980 it isnt a next gen system

@bgna8980 I'm not against a price cut I'm a consumer so anything I can get cheaper I'll buy cheaper but Imo I think a price cut would be detrimental to the console for two reasons people would further think its just an attachment to the old Wii and a price cut would make the statement of hey we aren't a next gen system which consumer would completely discontinue the though of the Wii you all in all