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EA Origin EULA sparks privacy concerns

Mandatory licensing agreement for online service appears to indicate publisher can monitor, pass on data on all software installed on users' PC.

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Electronic Arts has been investing heavily in online distribution and connected gaming over the past few years, and one of the biggest of those investments is its new service, Origin. A full-on replacement for the EA Store, Origin serves as a hub and infrastructure for downloading and playing PC games, as well as ordering boxed products for other platforms.

Violating the American people's privacy wouldn't be such non sequitur in Battlefield 3.
Violating the American people's privacy wouldn't be such non sequitur in Battlefield 3.

However, speculation has arisen that Origin serves as a clandestine way for EA to intrude upon users' privacy. Posting to The Escapist's message boards, forum user Dirty Hipsters called out Origin's End User Licensing Agreement, claiming that not only does the verbiage allow EA to "monitor your PC and to make a profile of you," but also detect "illegally downloaded material" and see what websites have been viewed.

Consulting Origin's EULA, the passage in question can be found in Sections 2 and 3, titled "Consent to Collection and Use of Data" and "Application Communications and Conduct/Privacy Settings," respectively. When EA refers to the "Application" in this context, EA notes that it is in reference to Origin and all related software, documentation, and updates.

"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services," Section 2 reads.

"EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services," the section continues. "We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you."

The Section 3 passage reads: "EA reserves the right to monitor communications on the Application and disclose any information EA deems necessary to (i) ensure your compliance with this License; (ii) satisfy any applicable law, regulation or legal process; (iii) protect the rights, property and interests of EA, its employees or the public. EA also reserves the right to edit, refuse to transfer and/or to remove any information or materials, in whole or in part, in EA's sole discretion."

The EULA goes on to note that if users do not agree to EA's collection of this type of data, they should not install the application. It also says that this data is being used in accordance with EA's privacy policy, which among other statements, states that, "EA will never share your personal information with third parties without your consent." However, it is unclear how EA's privacy policy is compatible with the rights reserved in Section 3 of Origin's EULA, if at all.

As with most legal language, the extent to which EA is able to use this EULA to monitor users is open to interpretation. However, the EULA is markedly different from EA's standard PC software agreement. For EA's standard PC EULA, the "Consent to Use of Data" section is more narrowly confined to "technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address and hardware identification), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware."

The addition of the "software, software usage" verbiage could be interpreted as including the ability to monitor any installed program, regardless of its provenance. EA's Origin EULA also adds the right for the publisher to share whatever it finds with anyone it chooses.

EA has run into privacy concerns in the past. Most notably, in 2006, the publisher first revealed that it had begun collecting users' data as a way to target and deliver in-game advertisements to players.

EA had not responded to GameSpot's request for comment on the matter as of press time.

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Before you sign up for anything READ THE PRIVACY STATEMENT and you will be shocked at amount of gaming companies that get away with this.

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@FallenOneX - what episode? number of season and episode please....

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Stupid EA - not only it has insolent audacity to create spyware and force ppl to use it but it has enough boorishness to inform ppl about it. Such greed can be beaten only by Activision-Blizzard.

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That episode of South Park is making more and more sense to some people right now.......

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@Unfallen_Satan that is a very good point. This news does not make me happy at all, and what's worse is I've already pre-ordered BF3...

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This wouldn't surprise me at all, and reaffirms my decision not to purchase any games from Origin, nor to install their software at any time. It is after all, EA.

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This is yet another reason why I think that our education system is pretty crazy by not making elementary law required study. We enter into contracts almost everyday. Most people don't know the exact details of those contracts. Some people don't even know they have entered into one. Living in a rule-by-law society, that shortcoming is scary.

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Hey, I play World of Tanks online and enjoy every minute of it...but this...this huge load of malarkey from EA is unbelievable...this will only encourage piracy for games because they have just upped the ante.

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I wish there is a definite source of information on the data that Origin does collect from my PC, so I would know whether to boycott the program or not. Just from the language of the EULA though, I am not sure the collection of any information not related to EA's products is even legal. As it clearly states that "EA may collect, use, store, or transmit [as much data about your computer as possible] that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services." Let's say someone has 100 pirated games on his computer and then installed Origin, I do not think Origin's EULA, even when accepted, permits Origin to collect info on those 100 pirated games as it would not be providing any of the services listed near the end of the statement. What is really needed is for someone to bring a lawsuit, which hopefully evolves into a class action lawsuit, against the Origin EULA by challenging that no non-EA software products could provide information that benefit any of the services in the EULA agreed to by the consumer and therefore that section of the EULA cannot be legally binding. Furthermore, if Origin did collect data on any third party software, it would violate the privacy of the user in a way not exempted by the EULA.

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The Battlefield series is like crack to me... If I want to play bf3 and any other game(SWTOR) I have no choice but to allow them to spy on me if I wanna play this on PC. Fah q EA Fah q!

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And when about a week ago I said Origin is a spyware,I was met with a lot of thumbs down.I dont know what should I do anymore,if it was any other game,I would easily pass,but BF3 willl have an awesome MP.But with EA spywares,Origin forcing and Steam removals,I think in the end it will be a pass.I really wish EA would came to their senses,DICE developed this game primarily for the PC,and EA is ruining everything.

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I prefer buying a new console rather than accept them spying me .

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This is also a classic which is often implied but rarely explicitly stated: "6. Termination. This License is effective until terminated. Your rights under this License will terminate immediately and automatically without any notice from EA if (i) you fail to comply with any of the terms and conditions of this License; or (ii) EA ceases to support the Application. Promptly upon termination, you must cease all use of the Application and destroy all copies of the Application in your possession or control. EA’s termination will not limit any of EA’s other rights or remedies at law or in equity. Sections 2-13 of this License shall survive termination or expiration of this License for any reason." Wonderful eh? As soon as EA ceases support for a given title (at their discretion, usually around 2 years in), you effectively become a pirate in the eyes of the law. No wonder people don't take the ridiculous concept of "intellectual property" seriously.

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Like EA's catch phrase "Challenge Everything" But what is this word "privacy"? Nothing is private via electronic waves. Someone could always be listening. ahh uh prank caller prank caller.

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One thing is for sure EA, you are NOT getting on my system...

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@Phoenix6359 "Might as well install a Trojan on my PC." This!

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EA sucks. They make sub par games because they can get away with it due to brand recognition that they only have from purchasing the rights to a monopoly on their sports franchises because it's more profitable than developing any game to it's full potential. Their stance is to mass produce mediocre games rather than making any of them shine.

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Great. Now I have to decide between PC or PS3 -_-"

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I don't understand why everybody's suddenly getting angry about this now. It was well known within days of Origin being released and is one of the main reasons I will not be buying any product that requires Origin. But despite this and all the other bs they've been piling on Battlefield 3, I doubt any of it will affect sales by more than a fraction of a percent. Gamers who actually care about this sort of thing are unfortunately rare.

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sorry... the term "hackers" in piracy is different to "ethical hackers", which are used by these companies... still an idea though

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You're about to shoot yourselves in the foot EA, you continue with this and you will see a major reduction in PC game sales. Might as well install a Trojan on my PC.

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its not the first time i've been called playing devils advocate... but can't EA or other companies HIRE hackers to help SOLVE the issue WHY people pirate?!... and create a better solution so that there's no collateral damage to the normal consumer... i KNOW that russian software developing companies hire hackers to help them in making more secure and safer programs/internet security software... just a thought...

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hmmmm i may be thinking on getting mw3 instead

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There is only 2 possible outcomes here. A. EA is going to change the Terms of Agreement and make the necessary change before the game is released. Due to so much flack from potential buyers. B. Keep things as and hope that doesn't turn into bad sales number for BF3. (IMO i don't think it would hurt them because people are still going to buy this regardless see Starcraft 2 Battle.Net) I think its going to be option A because changing that is real easy and the game doesn't come out till October anyway. So plenty of time for them to make the change.

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I've never had anything against EA. I liked their games and the DRM didn't bother me much. But this, this is just a whole new level of villainy. Now I get why EA has been frowned upon by the gaming community. :(

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And they're enforcing Origin to play their games now, what a way to spit on that name's legacy. RIP OSI.

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Alas, for every one of us that complains about this and digital distribution, there are 100 people who will buy whatever and click the "OK" button without reading anything. Sorry kids, but this, and digital distribution, is here to stay. The tens of millions playing WoW and Angry Birds and all those other crazy huge online games pretty much ensured it.

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Normally this isn't that big deal, the EULA's from all companies sound terrible, but here's the thing about EA: 1) EA WILL ban you from their GAMES and all related EA content if you so much as look at them funny. I did not say ban your account, I mean your GAMES. Yes, by shutting down your EA account, they can actually prevent you from playing the game. This actually happened to a guy who called EA "the devil" in Bioware's forums. Do you really want these people to have access to your entire computer's info? 2) LoLz has already demonstrated why we don't want anyone to know our personal info. 3) Not like anyone builds a game to the specifications of a computer anyway. They usually minimize it to meet the standards of the lowest common specs.

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Screw you EA. Once you included draconian DRM with Spore Im never ever touching one of your games again.

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What the hell EA, your issues are with Call of Duty, not the people who play it.

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I'm glad I didn't pre-order BF3 on PC, I am switching to the Ps3 version, and then be safe from any of this, I did get into the BF3 alpha trial, and no wonder my virus detector said BF3.exe was a torjan, EA you were doing great, but now you are at the bottom of my respect list.

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That's it i am done with BF3 , first there is no steam and now this crap. I think i will buy Rage this year.If EA thinks this will stop piracy then they are wrong just like Ubisoft and their DRM.

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While any other number of companies, services, MMO Publishers can and might do the same, here it is pretty well laid out that EA will monitor and share (I know Microsoft does it, despite assurances that they need my permission). I don't believe it will harm sales of "BF3" or "SW: TOR" noticeably, but it certainly gives me pause now.

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I hope this gets taken to court by a civil rights organization. Based on the information it sounds like they simply want some way to spy on their customers and they've found one by doing it in the form of a user agreement that clearly is not deisgned to protect their product. Rather to allow them to gather any information they chose to on anyone's personal computer that plays their game on a PC. We all have the right to privacy and what we do is out buissness. No one else's.

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"EA will never share your personal information with third parties without your consent." Then I don't really care...it would not be the first time you sign up for a service and they take notes on your life.

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Wow no sale then. I greatly appreciate whoever actually bothered to read the End User Agreement and post this info online. gotta be more careful from now on.

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Well I was going to buy BF3. Looks as if I won't be buying another EA game any time soon, not until they change the EULA anyway. Although that's when they'll complain about poor PC sales and use that as an excuse for the crappy console ports of the few PC games they will release. You want my money EA? Don't treat me like a criminal! ...Now, let me see that Modern Warfare 3 video again...

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The irony is this probably wont stop illegal privacy. This is what STEAM was supposed to do, but ironically, that hasn't stopped pirates. The only people this will hurt is the non-pirates. Trust me, there are some real smart d0uchebags out there who can crack anything, so this Origin thing better do its job A++, otherwise there will be issues.

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Incredible...

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Don't forget that Origin is required on the PC version, whether you get it on disc or digitally. So even if they sell through Steam, you'll still be getting screwed with Origin.

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This is why and how digital distribution will fail..... I won't be caught dead using Origin, I actually have a Steam account but I only got it for the special deal for Portal 2 on PS3 and PC.......

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this clearly crosses the line between protecting THE product from piracy, and all out big brother monitoring in the persons every day affairs on their PERSONAL computer...

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I think it's time for everybody that reads this to contact customer support and complain. Not that it will do anything. But annoying EA is worth it, I think. I can't help but wonder if this is partially why EA is stepping away from Steam. Valve didn't approve of (or allow) EA's plan of spying on their customers.

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though i dont like it, cuz its one step closer to skynet ...all there gonna see is one sweet pc, and a bunch of (cough) videos

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