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Everytime GameSpot reports on 1080 support or 60FPS, I lose a good chunk of respect for them. You have the power to ignore publisher posturing that is NOT news, GameSpot.

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@aegis_kleais Wait, you had respect for them?

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@turianshepard @aegis_kleais There is a psychological act, known as transference. In short, if you like Item A, and I like Item B, and I state I don't like Item A, you take personal offense. Even though it has no impact whatsoever on whether I respect the person who likes Item A, said person acts negatively towards the other because they state they don't like something that they, themselves, do.

I'm actively aware of this. No one who has an opinion can be wrong in that opinion. You're entitled to it, even if it differs from mine. The only time you're not entitled to your opinion, IMO, is when you deny someone else having the right to having one that differs from yours.


You like Chocolate? I like Strawberry? Neither of us are wrong when asked "What's the best flavor of ice cream?" We're both right (in our opinions). Yet, there are people out there who will mock someone else for liking an ice cream they do not, and feel as if that equates to said person not liking them.


Don't ask, it's all based in psychology, but it's very counter-productive.

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You make an excellent point about transference.

I might call it association. You can say you don't share the same identity.

I'm not shallow minded like that. No one should be so shallow minded.

Someone else can be different, that's not mean it's bad or negative; they unique from you, maybe delightfully different. So what if they're different, you can like them for being different and their differences.

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@SaintsRowLA @aegis_kleais @turianshepard If only there were more people like you who understood this. How boring would our world be if we were all the same? Differences shouldn't be feared; they should be celebrated, and as long as they do you the same courtesy, respected.

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Thank you very much for your compliment. The same goes for you. Differences can be complementary.


That's compl-E-mentary as in to complete or make better.

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@aegis_kleais These are actually important aspects of the game. Some people will make purchase decisions based on how the game runs.

When I'm buying games for PC that are locked to 30fps, I won't buy them unless there is a mod that unlocks the framerate. Higher framerates give a more responsive feel & reduce eye strain, many people take this into consideration when purchasing a game.

More information is better for everyone. Stop complaining & move on the the next article that tells you the things that are important to you like how many explosions there are per minute.

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"These are actually important aspects of the game. Some people will make purchase decisions based on how the game runs."

Good point. Nobody wants to settle for second best either, especially before they pay.


I played the worst version of Saints Row 4, i.e. the PS3 version, but, it really didn't matter when I was playing.

I played the so called worst versions of Saints Row 3, 10 times, i.e., the 360 and PS3 versions, and it didn't matter when I was playing.

The same can be said for other games, but not all games.

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"Stop complaining & move on the the next article that tells you the things that are important to you. . ."

Another good point.

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"frame rates are frame rates"

The power of the mind takes over and makes it a much bigger deal out of it.

When you're playing the game, I bet most of the frame rate stuff really don't care that much; it's not nearly as significant anymore if at all.

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@SaintsRowLA @bbq_R0ADK1LL When you lock frame rate at 30fps you have to be very efficient at managing your code not to see frame dips.

(very rare by the way)


You've never gamed at a higher frame rate, I can tell when a 60fps dips to 43fps very easily even when its just for a few seconds.

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If no one tells you the numbers and if there are no numbers (real or fictitious), everyone would just take things as they are and judge the game as it is.

Add in numbers and other psychological stuff and people minds just get hung up on those things.

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@aegis_kleais It very much is news, and something people care about knowing. If they didn't care I wouldn't report on it.

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@tempertress @aegis_kleais The 1080p/60FPS p*ssing war is not now, nor has it ever been newsworthy. It's a battle between MS and Sony's ego and reputation touting an aspect of games that is akin to the importance of a post count on a forum; worthless. Just because these 2 titans have deemed the subject to be center stage does not me there is merited worth in it. If we wanted regurgitation of what was said, we'd subscribe to a RSS feed. I'd personally rather have someone utilize a bit more scrutiny in their journalistic endeavors to see this for what it is.

@bbq_R0ADK1LL This isn't a discussion of PC resolution/framerate support. PC has spokesperson, and this war for resolution/framerate is a console-only debate. PC has supported these resolutions and framerates for a ridiculous amount of time, and it's never been an aspect of a game's worth.


Whether it supports a particular aspect ratio? OK. But that's about proper support of the output device. This is just bolstering and posturing for the hardware capabilities of the "next generation" consoles. Nothing more. Your last comment, whiny though it is, just shows how little you know about whom you're debating. If you want, I can be dismissive as well, but I'd rather you show a bit more maturity and just have a discussion.

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@aegis_kleais @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL It's been my experience that there's A LOT of noobish casual fanBOYS that want to know, besides what would a fanBOY do with it's life if not for the news?

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Framerates do matter when there extremely low, like when they dropped to 15fps and things get really choppy on some multiplat PS3 games years ago. I don't think anyone wants their frame rates dropping below 24fps at any time.

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@SaintsRowLA @aegis_kleais @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL Also, from the POV of a PC gamer, it just sounds odd for a dev to tell me that their game is "1080p/60FPS". The first response in my mind is "How the heck do you even know the capability of my PC to make a statement like that?" It's moreso a statement for console platforms only.

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@aegis_kleais @SaintsRowLA @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL

You make an excellent point aegis_kleais:

"How the heck do they know your PC specs"

Answer: They don't. They have to deal with vague generalities with PCs.

Not all PC CPUs are the same. CPUs A can handle such and such application or game better than CPU B, but CPU B outperform CPU A for this other application. Or CPU A outperforms CPU B most of the time, but not all the time. Everyone's CPU, chipset, GPU and everything else might be just a little different. So they can't max out one particular hardware package like they can with a console. CPUs in PCs are generalized CPUs so they can handle just about any program you install in them: game, spreadsheet, database, ect vs. more specialized CPUs you might find in a router or elsewhere.


Yes, you have much more flexibilility and customization with PCs than with consoles. PCs will always outperform--and use more electricity too.


The argument that the makers of The New Order 1886 stated that 60 FPS made their game too smooth and futuristic and that's wasn't congruent with the game. Capping the game at 30 FPS gave was congruent with the rest of ambiance of the game. I'm sure the same is true with the new AC game, but on PC, you might have the option to make it 60 or 30 or 120 FPS maybe if you want. On consoles, you don't have that option.

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@SaintsRowLA @aegis_kleais @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL True, but static console hardware has a set amount of horsepower, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but most consoles don't allow you to toggle the graphical state of the game like in a PC, right? The devs have set hardware and set graphics settings, and with that, they can determine whether a game can push 1080p and 60FPS.

Problem is, this ignores the dynamic PC platform, where depending on your hardware and graphics settings, you could do 720p, 1080p and higher at varying framerates.

What gets me questioning this is that you never saw any wars like this with PS3 vs XB360. They never spoke of FPS/Resolution support, because (again, in my opinion, it really didn't matter). It would be no different than a PC gamer saying "I can play that game at 4K resolution." Many console players would take offense, even though what resolution/framerate you run a game at really has no impact on the game (I'm not saying that low FPS is good, we definitely need a baseline framerate), but these stats were never "touted" until XB1 started competing with PS4 and using this as some type of indicator of game quality. (Cause if it's just a tout of power/capability of the platform, what good does that do me as a gamer?)

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@aegis_kleais @SaintsRowLA @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL

Tv and monitor standards are very different.

Because last gen introduced HD which is 720p.

Full HD is 1080p both are tv standards.


Hopefully within 2 years 1080p will be standard, for now dev's are still learning the new tech.

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@gf61 @aegis_kleais @SaintsRowLA @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL

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Tv and monitor standards are very different.

Because last gen introduced HD which is 720p."

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Excellent point. Back when I bought my 1080p TV, I read that the majority of people had 720p TVs and 720p would still dominate for a few more years according to Consumer Reports on-line.


When I went shopping, I said to myself, if they removed the 720p and 1080p labels and all other descriptions, I really wouldn't notice much difference. I would think both TV being compared are almost the same with one only being very slightly better. Add in the details and numbers, i.e. the 1080p and the rest of the specs, and I only want the 1080p television. Why would I want that 720p television?

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@aegis_kleais @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL I hate dismissive responses, and I've mentioned that in regards to staff replies a few times, but that one didn't really feel very dismissive to me.

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@hystavito @aegis_kleais @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL The dismissive statement was made by @bbq_R0ADK1LL (which I referenced using the forum's '@' system). The moderator/staff personnel did not make a dismissive statement; she just stated her opinion, which she is more than entitled to.

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@aegis_kleais @hystavito @tempertress @bbq_R0ADK1LL Ok I can't see it so I just assumed it was her comment.

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Articulation does not make the debater.

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everyone has a preference on what is important to them, to some its resolution, to others its framerate. for me i make it a rule not to buy new if its not 1080/60 FPS, not because it looks better and feels better even if though it does, i do it because i think developers need to stop being lazy and deliver quality, this is a new generation of gaming and we need to hold them to a higher standard.

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@streissguth @aegis_kleais OOOOOHHHHHWEEEEEEE>.. Best statement I have read in a long time. PERFECTLY SAID!.. but i like to play new games so guess I'm part of the problem. srry.... but totally loved your comment.


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"everyone has a preference on what is important to them"

Well stated. Everyone is different. You can't please everyone either.

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60 FPS while nice for Strategy games, is not really needed. I remember the original Age of empires 2 had like 15 frames or something. but the game was and still is a masterpiece. But overall 60 does improve games, Unless you are taking a cinematic approach.

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@evil_m3nace Rainbow Six is an FPS not strategy.

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@kryten212 @evil_m3nace In this FPS you need strategy. Putting every FPS in the same category is just not smart. I can see you have never played a Tom Clancy game and you have no clue what your talking about noob.

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@kryten212 @evil_m3nace The question she asked was if 60 should have to be in all games.

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