Did I miss something here? where is dragon age? lol Dragon age possibly the best RPG of this console generation, and it doesn't even make a top 25 list... this is fail.... and no gears 2, no BF BC2.... but halo 3 ODST makes the list, and GTA4 gets in the top 10 for absolutely no reason -_-....

remember guys, you can't spell Ignorant withouhIGN.

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[QUOTE="Darkslayer16"]
You mean Valves free DLC like the Left 4 Dead one that's over $5 and maybe an hour long? EA's $10 DLC like the conquest and map packs for BC1 that is free?

Darkslayer16

You can thank microsoft for that, I got the dlc for free on pc... Im not sure if you are up to date in the gaming industry... but valve has their own online console called steam... they basically give their games away (tf2 was free for a weekend last year) on steam... EA is a publisher that does not have a say in what Dice or Valve do, they only make a profit from their sales... Bioware on the other hand obeys EA like they are their b*tch

And no, EA does not have a say in what dice does, because it is in Dice's contract with valve that they have the right to make decisions such as dlc by themselves

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[QUOTE="Darkslayer16"]
EA does have a say in what Dice does. Also you mention Bioware yet Mass Effect 2 (made by Bioware) has free DLC. Steam does not "give away" games those are fairly rare trials that last a few days (latest being Shattered Horizon). Left 4 Dead's DLC on the 360 was priced by Valve not Microsoft.. that's why the survival pack is free and not the campaign.

Darkslayer16

Are you kidding me? How do you think I got team fortress on steam? I got it on a free weekend give away, it was not a trial.. and I dare you to google the left 4 dead situation, microsoft forced valve to charge for the dlc or else money was going to come out of valves' pockets

DUDE!!! are you dumb? I STILL HAVE TF2!!! they were giving it away... like wtf is wrong with you? my steam account is strawberry9999... you can check if you would like... Gears 1 had free dlc because it was sponsored, if you try to download the dlc right now, it will say brought to you by (insert company here).... Like, you don't have to make stuff up to win an argument

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[QUOTE="Darkslayer16"]
You mean Valves free DLC like the Left 4 Dead one that's over $5 and maybe an hour long? EA's $10 DLC like the conquest and map packs for BC1 that is free?

Darkslayer16

You can thank microsoft for that, I got the dlc for free on pc... Im not sure if you are up to date in the gaming industry... but valve has their own online console called steam... they basically give their games away (tf2 was free for a weekend last year) on steam... EA is a publisher that does not have a say in what Dice or Valve do, they only make a profit from their sales... Bioware on the other hand obeys EA like they are their b*tch

Are you kidding me? How do you think I got team fortress on steam? I got it on a free weekend give away, it was not a trial.. and I dare you to google the left 4 dead situation, microsoft forced valve to charge for the dlc or else money was going to come out of valves' pockets

[QUOTE="strawberry9"] No no. I agree with you. maybe I went a little crazy by saying the pirating stuff, but what Im trying to say is that we should all be supporting great game companies such as valve who actually care for their fans and would rather make free dlc rather than make ones that you have to pay for. The gaming industry is a huge industry, I don't see the reasoning behind EA's $10 plan, because its not like EA is actually losing moneyDarkslayer16

You can thank microsoft for that, I got the dlc for free on pc... Im not sure if you are up to date in the gaming industry... but valve has their own online console called steam... they basically give their games away (tf2 was free for a weekend last year) on steam... EA is a publisher that does not have a say in what Dice or Valve do, they only make a profit from their sales... Bioware on the other hand obeys EA like they are their b*tch

In relation to the points about "code for DLC":

The original reason that companies (EA in particular with it's "$10 plan") give out day1 DLC, and a code that comes with it - is so they can make money on future re-sales. In the past, if you took your game back to GameStation and traded it in; they'll sell it for a profit; that's fine for them, but the games company doesn't see any of that second sale money, even though they now have had two customers play it. They way they prevent this is by adding some DLC on day one: Those who buy it second hand will then need to pay £5-10 or so directly to the game developer (for example with MS points) - thus the game developers don't lose out on the second-sale.

In my opinion; it's a little underhand, but I can understand where they're coming from. My main concern isn't that they continue to add the second-sale DLC codes, but that they make the whole game unlockable with a code - forcing everybody to only buy new copies.

In terms of Piracy:

Whether or not the games companies are annoying you or trying to take more money from you than you feel is right - piracy is the complete opposite of what you should be doing. By pirating games, you give them more reason to argue for higher prices, paid DLC and other crap that the more honest of us then have to fork out for. Hell we wouldn't have such a hard time with this SecuRom and online-verification, if people hadn't been pirating to such an extent. If a company annoys you; either boycott it, or complain to them - don't think that stealing from them will make it any better.

DLC that "should" have been free:

Just because you want it, or think it's something that would improve the game - doesn't mean that you should get it for free. You can try to argue that they should give it out with the game, since they clearly had it ready in time - but at the end of the day; you don't shout at the icecream man when he charges more for icecream with a flake do you? Anyway; unlike 10 years ago, you can pretty much find out, to the last blade of grass, every item, quest and feature of a game before it releases - if you don't want to pay for what it offers; you don't have to buy it. There's not been a single game so far that has only given you half of what it said it would and then told you to pay for the rest.

That's all my opinion anyway; I don't see how people can try to justify piracy - it just makes it worse for everybody in the long run. People should work with the companies, not against them.

Kokuya

You're told what the DLC contains before you buy it. If you don't like what if offers don't buy it. Simple as that. Stop complaining.

drkessence

Piracy is bs no matter what your reason is.

Darkslayer16

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Pirating is wrong... there is no doubt about it! However as many of you have seen, many game producers these days are taking advantage of dlc and are using it in a way that should not be allowed. So here is it:

if a game producer such as 2k decides to put dlc on a disc and then try and charge its fanbase for that dlc later, then I suggest we fight back and pirate games made by 2k(the game company is just an example). This is not to say I don't support the gaming industry in any way, or is it that I am saying I support pirating in anyway, however if game producers are going to take advantage of us gamers, and take us for granted... then I suggest we fight back with something that they cannot do anything about.

Either take my 60 dollars for the game and give me the respect and loyalty that I deserve, or take nothing as I will pirate your game! half-a$$ dlc is probably the worse thing that has happened in this industry and I can honesty say Im starting to wonder if I can trust any game producers other than valve...

This like saying if I bought a car from a car dealership, and the back-seats were locked until I payed another $ 1000 dollar fee... wtf?

Aaron89

Wait, aren't you (red)?

Piracy is one option, and but certainly not the best. Perhaps try something legal and, you know, just not buy the DLC as a large collective group. Or start and Internet petition, because those always work wonderfully. :P

Plus, you're expecting all of us (or a majority) to mod our Xbox to pirate only "evil" company's games? .. lol

Not sure I follow the idea here.