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[QUOTE="J-man45"]So it's not a human being until it is actually born? Because murder of another human being is illegal.Zeviander
In Canada (not sure about the US), "life" is LEGALLY defined as starting "at birth". And the "murder" argument war already very succinctly addressed previously in this thread by another poster. If you read my post, you would have seen that I don't like abortion. In fact, I abhor it. But I don't believe in legislating my moral views. I believe in legislating the hard facts and the logic. It is illogical to not offer abortion, as it increases the tax burden on the state. It is illogical to offer abortions for first trimester pregnancies but not second and third trimester pregnancies (already discussed previously). It is illogical to draw an arbitrary line in the sand based on what you FEEL is wrong.

I did read your post, and I was more responding to the legal aspect of it. You say you can't impose your will legally, but if it's the law then it wouldn't matter. And yeah I'm sure it's been addressed already. I'm saying if the line wasn't arbitrary, and was instead drawn at a logical point where the baby is considered human, but, also like you would point out, would involve the "feelings" of a lot of people.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] but she pretty much consented the fetus' "stay" by having unprotected sex and not aborting him during the first 24 weeks.

And your definition of abortion is wrong, abortion DOES involves killing the embryo/fetus/baby, if not then it's not an abortion. I dont care if *your* concept means its just to terminate a pregnancy, the real concept is to terminate the pregnancy and it's "product" I can say that my definition of murder is "putting people into a painless sleep", that wont change what the real definition is.ghoklebutter

There is no such thing as tacit consent to pregnancy. Consent to sex =/= consent to pregnancy. And even if that did exist, the woman would still be able to change her mind and hence not consent to it. Consent can be revoked at any time for any reason.

As for the definition: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abortion

It's true that abortion often involves killing, but the termination of pregnancy doesn't always involve killing. Just because it's one possible meaning of the word doesn't mean it's the only one. 

Give an example of where a "terminated pregnancy" would not result in the death of the fetus/child/baby/etc.? I believe the only phrase you are thinking of is what we call "induced labor" which is a practiced medical procedure and not an abortion...

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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"]I just have a hard time justifying eliminating an unborn child when so close to coming to term. Really. when your in the final months were not dealing with multiple cells clinging on the utereus walls.... Zeviander
I think the fundamental problem with this whole debate is those participating have a very difficult, almost impossible time separating their feelings from their reason. This is an exceptionally complicated issue that causes pain for an innumerable amount of people (I don't doubt women who have an abortion, who are genuinely caring people, not the sociopaths who use it as retro-active birth control, are forever scarred by the experience, even if they say they aren't). We have to try to separate them from one another. I have a personal issue with abortion, full stop. I would never, EVER want to ever consider my partner getting one. I advocate completely for personal responsibility, regardless if we like the consequences of our actions or not. However, I cannot force my will, legally, upon another. Therefore, I must choose the most logical, responsible solution... which unfortunately, is abortion for whomever wants one at any stage of the pregnancy. BUT, there are proactive, preventative solutions, such as all-encompassing sexual education that teaches responsible and safe sexual activity protected not only with latex and hormones, but with knowledge. Which I think goes infinitely further to stopping unwanted pregnancy than tossing condoms out at a school assembly ever could do.

So it's not a human being until it is actually born? Because murder of another human being is illegal. If it were said that a baby is a "human" when it can survive outside the womb, then 2 days before pregnancy, even a month or so before pregnancy, the baby would then be consider human.

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Yes I did.

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A shame about the abortion stat.

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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Fact: 100% of people who eat fast food will die at some point in their lives.

Mike-uk

Well yeah people eventually die, you r-tard.

Wow. Right over your head.

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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

Fed Pulls Trigger, to Buy Mortgages in Effort to Lower Rates

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fed-pulls-trigger-buy-mortgages-163638925.html

Keep spending the money!

NiKva

lowering rates?? they're already RIDICULOUSLY low...

Yeah... they should be trying to set up more jobs so that people can actually have money to buy houses. Lowering the prices means nothing to the unemployed.

The Federal Reserve deals with the money supply, not job creation.

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The Fed can do what they want because they are not directly controlled by Congress. And thank goodness they are not. Basically anything the Fed does is an attempt to actually help out economy.

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Feels like I'm back in health class

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I don't really trust Fox News, I've seen them caught in flat out lies way too many times...

Franklinstein

This story is not just on fox news...

The title of this topic is a fail though