Sony didn't "lie", but they sure did mislead about PS5 Pro and FPS

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#151 loudheadphones
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@loudheadphones: Every PS5 game has been “tested” on the PS5 Pro; and most 30fps games will stay under 60FPS. In fact, a studio doesn’t need to optimize the game for 60FPS to get a “PS5 Pro Optimized” badge.

That’s because, like I keep telling you, the PS5 Pro isn’t going to magically allow games to run at 60fps!!!

But Dragon Dogma is 30fps on base consoles, yet it is 60 on Pro with better IQ and graphics. Glad you swallowed crows, Xbot.

So, next Xbox game on PS is....?

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#152 loudheadphones
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@gifford38: So, in 2024, 720p at 4k is OK with you and should be celebrated?

Nice try, Xbot. Damn hypocrite for the eternity!! Why the **** PCMR celebrated games to be 720p and with DLSS upscaled to 1440p with huge performance improvements and better IQ. That's the point of DLSS, PSSR, XeSS.... Oh, yes, it bothers you that PSSR provides great results. It bothers you, Xbot hypocrite because it is on PS. But it doesn't bothers you a DLSS which has the same purpose as PSSR. **** off!

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#153 loudheadphones
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@Pedro said:
@navyguy21 said:
@loudheadphones said:

All tested PS5 Pro games has a 60fpa option with better IQ and better graphics than fidelity mode at 30fps on base consoles

That wasn't my question

A certain group of Sony fannies are just plain dim.

Look who is talking

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#154 dabear
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@loudheadphones: How many times do you have to own yourself, you big goof?

How many patches (code optimizations) did Capcom release? And even PushSquare says “it’s not consistent 60fps”

So, it’s not a 30fps to 60fps. It’s 50-55fps to 60 fps.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2024/07/dragons-dogma-2-patch-clearly-improves-ps5-performance-but-its-still-far-from-perfect#:~:text=With%20ray%20tracing%20off%2C%20Dragon's,patch%20pushes%20it%20even%20further.

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#155  Edited By loudheadphones
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@loudheadphones: How many times do you have to own yourself, you big goof?

How many patches (code optimizations) did Capcom release? And even PushSquare says “it’s not consistent 60fps”

So, it’s not a 30fps to 60fps. It’s 50-55fps to 60 fps.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2024/07/dragons-dogma-2-patch-clearly-improves-ps5-performance-but-its-still-far-from-perfect#:~:text=With%20ray%20tracing%20off%2C%20Dragon's,patch%20pushes%20it%20even%20further.

Nope, you said a 30fps game on base PS5 won't be a 60fps on PS5 Pro, yet... there it is, it is a 60fps in Dragon Dogma 2 which is a CPU heavy game. So, 55-60 is just in town, yes.

This you?

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@loudheadphones said:
@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: How many times do you have to own yourself, you big goof?

How many patches (code optimizations) did Capcom release? And even PushSquare says “it’s not consistent 60fps”

So, it’s not a 30fps to 60fps. It’s 50-55fps to 60 fps.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2024/07/dragons-dogma-2-patch-clearly-improves-ps5-performance-but-its-still-far-from-perfect#:~:text=With%20ray%20tracing%20off%2C%20Dragon's,patch%20pushes%20it%20even%20further.

Nope, you said a 30fps game on base PS5 won't be a 60fps on PS5 Pro, yet... there it is, it is a 60fps in Dragon Dogma 2 which is a CPU heavy game. So, 55-60 is just in town, yes.

This you?

That is post-patch performance where they removed ray tracing and removed the framerate cap.

PS5 and Series X also run between 40-55fps. It's not the Pro making it 55-60.

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#157  Edited By above_average
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@navyguy21 said:
@loudheadphones said:

Nope, you said a 30fps game on base PS5 won't be a 60fps on PS5 Pro, yet... there it is, it is a 60fps in Dragon Dogma 2 which is a CPU heavy game. So, 55-60 is just in town, yes.

This you?

That is post-patch performance where they removed ray tracing and removed the framerate cap.

PS5 and Series X also run between 40-55fps. It's not the Pro making it 55-60.

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🤣 So, we can also compare this footage to PC and say the PS5 is running comparable to a 4090 then?

Dopes don't realize your desperate arguments can also be applied to PC when you make them?

Yes, DF made an apple to oranges scenario where PS5 was running nearly 60fps in the city for PS5 in the last patch. That only shows how great base PS5 hardware actually is.

However, you trying to use that against PS5 Pro only makes you PC fans like dumb when...

THIS ^ is also PC after the last patch!

Bu but the PC version has Ray-tracing on and....oh wait! 🤭 Yeah!

So, DF creating a BS scenario that isn't equivalent to what's being done on PS5 Pro doesn't validate any of you previous arguments, when all we have to do is add in PC to the comparison and your whole argument falls apart.

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#158 loudheadphones
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@navyguy21 said:
@loudheadphones said:
@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: How many times do you have to own yourself, you big goof?

How many patches (code optimizations) did Capcom release? And even PushSquare says “it’s not consistent 60fps”

So, it’s not a 30fps to 60fps. It’s 50-55fps to 60 fps.

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2024/07/dragons-dogma-2-patch-clearly-improves-ps5-performance-but-its-still-far-from-perfect#:~:text=With%20ray%20tracing%20off%2C%20Dragon's,patch%20pushes%20it%20even%20further.

Nope, you said a 30fps game on base PS5 won't be a 60fps on PS5 Pro, yet... there it is, it is a 60fps in Dragon Dogma 2 which is a CPU heavy game. So, 55-60 is just in town, yes.

This you?

That is post-patch performance where they removed ray tracing and removed the framerate cap.

PS5 and Series X also run between 40-55fps. It's not the Pro making it 55-60.

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Yes. But i'm comparing it with RT features from the start, when PS5 and XSX version were not patched and had RT and 30fps. So, DD2 on Pro will have PSSR, new RT features and 60fps. That's big jump for a heavy CPU game on base consoles. And on Pro it runs very, very well.

Greetings, Arisen on PlayStation! From all of us at Capcom, we are thrilled to welcome the PS5 Pro.

Dragon’s Dogma 2 will benefit from the power of the PS5 Pro, PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR) and new ray tracing technology, allowing improved framerates.

For those new to Dragon’s Dogma 2, prepare for a single player, narrative driven action-RPG that challenges players to choose their own experience – from the appearance of their Arisen, their vocation, their party, how to approach different situations, and more. Set forth on your grand adventure on PS5 Pro, Arisen.”

Joseph Bustos, Social Media & Community Manager, Capcom USA

https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/24/ps5-pro-developers-share-how-theyre-using-new-tech-to-enhance-their-games/

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#159  Edited By above_average
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@navyguy21: This is DD2...with ray-tracing features ENABLED on PS5 Pro!

Running this game WITH the RT features ON is the metric to be used for measuring what PS5 Pro is doing here!

If you're going to make an argument, make a real one.

Nonsense scenarios from Digital Foundry like this reminds me of when DF made an entire video to show Xbox Series X "power advantage" over PS5 by using Control's PHOTO MODE when nothing was happening but XSX took a FPS lead over the PS5 version.

The reality, however, was that the PS5 version had a performance advantage over XSX in gameplay.

Such a disingenuous take from DF but shows a pattern of downplaying Sony systems/hardware/tech whenever an opportunity presents itself. Simply because DF created a scenario to paint a perspective doesn't give it validity.

They could have used that same PS5 NONE rt build of DD2 to compare against PC as well, but would have been met with furious push back for their false equivalence by PC gamers.

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#160  Edited By Pedro
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The system that was claimed to be hard to get but still available.😂

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#161  Edited By Fedor
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Nice to see they fixed up the DD2 port a bit with the latest patch, 4K DLSS quality FG Max RT on, looking solid.

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#162 dabear
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@loudheadphones: Again, without a PS5 Pro, it’s almost at 60fps now.

So, there is no “30fps to 60fps leap” here.

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#163  Edited By loudheadphones
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It is very easy to search your post history and threads where barely some Xbox game is running and reaching a 60fps, yet is called "it is a 60fps" game. But keep pushing for hypocrisy. Now you trying to spin because it is on PS5 Pro. Nice try, Xbot

@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: Again, without a PS5 Pro, it’s almost at 60fps now.

So, there is no “30fps to 60fps leap” here.

Huh, you haven't noticed that PS5 and XSX version can't even hit a 60fps even without RT??

There is 30-60fps. Pro is using Ray Tracing. And i've compared it with RT features from the start, when PS5 and XSX version were not patched and had RT and 30fps. So, DD2 on Pro will have PSSR, new RT features and 60fps. That's big jump for a heavy CPU game on base consoles. And on Pro it runs very, very well.

In town is howering 55-60. Outside is 60fps smoothly. Looks like you haven't watched a DF video, huh. Of course you haven't. You are an Xbot. This you?

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#164 dabear
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@loudheadphones: IDK what’s worse, you’re over hyping, your lack of understanding technology, or your lack of understanding the English language.

My boy… my comments, of which I have been very consistent, is that a game running 30fps isn’t going to magically run at 60fps on PS5 pro.

You are proving my point: round upon round of optimization patches got DD2 to “nearly 60fps”. The PS5 apparently gets it over the hump. That example is NOT A 30FPS TO 60FPS leap.

Get it?

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@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: IDK what’s worse, you’re over hyping, your lack of understanding technology, or your lack of understanding the English language.

My boy… my comments, of which I have been very consistent, is that a game running 30fps isn’t going to magically run at 60fps on PS5 pro.

You are proving my point: round upon round of optimization patches got DD2 to “nearly 60fps”. The PS5 apparently gets it over the hump. That example is NOT A 30FPS TO 60FPS leap.

Get it?

PS5 and XSX version were heavily gimped later and it can't hit 60fps yet PS5 Pro is doing it with RT, better graphics and IQ. Game which is CPU HEAVY.

And i've compared it with RT features from the start, when PS5 and XSX version were not patched and had RT and 30fps.

This you, Xbot?

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@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: IDK what’s worse, you’re over hyping, your lack of understanding technology, or your lack of understanding the English language.

My boy… my comments, of which I have been very consistent, is that a game running 30fps isn’t going to magically run at 60fps on PS5 pro.

You are proving my point: round upon round of optimization patches got DD2 to “nearly 60fps”. The PS5 apparently gets it over the hump. That example is NOT A 30FPS TO 60FPS leap.

Get it?

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#167  Edited By dabear
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@loudheadphones: But ITS NOT AT 30FPS RIGHT NOW, ITS AT 50FPS+

Jesus F’ing CHRIST!!!

The PS5 Pro is not increasing the frame rate from 30fps to 60fps, it’s taking it from 50-55fps to 60FPS. READ!!!!

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@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: But ITS NOT AT 30FPS RIGHT NOW, ITS AT 50FPS+

Jesus F’ing CHRIST!!!

The PS5 Pro is not increasing the frame rate from 30fps to 60fps, it’s taking it from 50-55fps to 60FPS. READ!!!!

You are going to cause him to have a meltdown of epic proportions.

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#170  Edited By loudheadphones
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@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: But ITS NOT AT 30FPS RIGHT NOW, ITS AT 50FPS+

Jesus F’ing CHRIST!!!

The PS5 Pro is not increasing the frame rate from 30fps to 60fps, it’s taking it from 50-55fps to 60FPS. READ!!!!

There is no right now with base PS5 and XSX. There version are heavily gimped.

Like i've said

It is very easy to search your post history and threads where barely some Xbox game is running and reaching a 60fps, yet is called "it is a 60fps" game. But keep pushing for hypocrisy. Now you trying to spin because it is on PS5 Pro. Nice try, Xbot

So, comparing PS5 and XSX version with RT at 30fps vs. Pro version at 60fps with RT, better IQ and graphics. A CPU heavy game.

This you? You said a CPU is a bottleneck in PS5 Pro and it won't run a 30fps game in 60fps. Yet here we are in Dragon's Dogma 2

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@loudheadphones: Am I getting punked? You can’t possibly be this much of a…

Ya know what, f**k it. I’m out. I can’t argue with this level of ultracrepidarianism.

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#172  Edited By Pedro
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@dabear: You have seen his true form.

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@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: Am I getting punked? You can’t possibly be this much of a…

Ya know what, f**k it. I’m out. I can’t argue with this level of ultracrepidarianism.

You are not alone, lol.

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@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: Am I getting punked? You can’t possibly be this much of a…

Ya know what, f**k it. I’m out. I can’t argue with this level of ultracrepidarianism.

Hey, you said that PS5 Pro has the same CPU as the base PS5 ( well, it is like 10% faster, but that's marginal ) and a 30fps game ib base consoles ( later HEAVILY GIMPED - removed ray tracing and other graphical effects to achieve a 40ish fps for a 60hz ), which Dragon Dogma 2 is, won't magically achieve a 60fps. Yet PS5 Pro achieved 60fps with better resolution, better IQ, Ray Tracing and other graphics elements.

So, this is you, yes :

@Pedro said:

@dabear: You have seen his true form.

Exposing hypocrisy. That's i love to do. Yes.

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@dabear said:

@loudheadphones: Am I getting punked? You can’t possibly be this much of a…

Ya know what, f**k it. I’m out. I can’t argue with this level of ultracrepidarianism.

You are not alone, lol.

You are fraud called out on GAF, huh.

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@loudheadphones said:

@kvallyx said:

You are not alone, lol.

You are fraud called out on GAF, huh.

So your favorite thing to do is lie? Got it! You are the fraud, BANNED BOY. You don't even have a game console.