Why I Love Nintendo

[QUOTE="dvader654"]Doesn't look like discussion to me.foxhound_fox

You can have an opinion, and that opinion can be that you despise Nintendo. But then again you cant expect any decent discussion to come out of such a stance. dvader's pointing out the numerous "Nintendo zealots" insults in this thread. I just dont see how one can dislike a game and disregard its accomplishment because some they are butt hurt over Nintendo fans liking that particular game.

Again, it's OK to say "Hey, I didnt think Twilight Princess was all that." Or that " i dont think SMG deserves to be the highest rated game on Metacritic." But the fact of the matter is that both games have fantastic scores and the general "opinion" is that they are fantastic. If Nintendo is still making fantastic games, who cares if it's the 200th Mario game? Why is it so hard for people to grasp that people liking a particular game or franchise doesn't make em a 'zealot'?

Guys, i just want to be friends. No negative energy, ok? -whisper- nintendo rules, other systems suck :P

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="dvader654"]Can any of the people that are using this thread to trash Nintendo and call out "Nintendo Zealots" actually name me ONE "Nintendo Zealot" in this thread. Find me one. Who are you arguing about? If you are talking about system wars go in there and complain.dvader654

How is criticizing the Wii, "trashing" Nintendo? We're consumers, and consumers will give feedback on a product. We don't need to go to System Wars to discuss perfectly valid gripes about the Wii's shortcomings, or the expensive X360 accessories and the console's poor workmanship, or whatever other nonsense Sony cooks up.

It is a well known fact that Nintendo lives and dies off its IPs and that the fans of those IPs are indeed very loyal, not that there's anything wrong with that. If you feel like that is some sort of attack, then so be it. I cannot say you're necessarily wrong however much I disagree.

Have you read some of the posts in this thread. Some are not about just discussing the Wii's shortcomings which is fine. Some are flat out "I HATE NINTENDO!!!!" posts.

What is this:

Meanwhile their hardcore fans faithfully lap up the rancid waste byproduct of their three main franchises they have been making since the 80's, slavering about brainwashed in a drunken stupor clamoring for a chance to suck at the teet of Shigeru "I havent made a good game in almost a decade and im washed up" Miyamoto. I despise Nintendo.

Doesn't look like discussion to me.

The thread creator made a thread to pronounce his love of Nintendo and shared an opinion, thus I decided to share mine. On an open forum I can disclose a dissenting opinion in any manner that I see fit so long as it conincides with the ToS. Besides look at the fire (and thus discussion/intrest) I brought to this lameo thread, ill make this place more interesting by being an obnoxious ass one thread at a time. I threw my opinion out there and if people want to discuss it fine, but at the end off the day it is my opinion and I recognize that. As to your claim of there being no Nintendo zealots in here lol, you have lost touch man. This place has always been system wars lite and the nintenhounds are crawling amonst this thread. Don't give me some BS line of "take it to system wars" either. I will NOT take my opinion to system wars just because I have a negative view of a company, thats you being close minded.GodModeEnabled

Like I said earlier, opinions can be a bit more refined. You've made your point clearly as you did before. Don't take it all so personally.

I don't really care if people don't like Nintendo, I just don't like to be insulted for liking Nintendo myself.

while i accept your opinion , id like to address what you said that wii doesnt get a stream of great titles

1. your wrong

it actually did get a better stream then the gamecube and n64

ill start with 2006

1. zelda twilight princess
2. wii sports-free
3. red steel-this ones very under appreciate i agree it could have been better but think of the time it was released there wasnt much else in the fps department
4. gt pro series or excite truck-first racing games

2007

1. metroid prime corruption
2. super paper mario
3. super mario galaxy
4. bully se
5. manhunt 2
6. no more heroes
7. driver paralel lines-some will disagree but come on
8. wii play
9. medal of honor heroes 2
10. madden 08
11. bloom box
12. zack and wiki
13. crusin
14. ford racing offroad

2008

super mario strikers charge

mario kart wii

super smash bros brawl

bloom blox bash party

animal crossing city folk

dr mario and the launch of wii ware-wii exclusive games just like psn and xbox live arcade these are well new or old games ramped u p

pokemon battle revolution

wii fit-this one was good for those people who needed excercise

shaun white snowboarding

2009 this year was better then 08

npc series which includes mario power tennis

donkey kong jungle beat

,metroid prime trillogy-packed with 3

conduit

resident evil archives re1 -i forgot to mention re4 for 2007

dead rising chop til you drop

house of the dead overkill-2 and 3 were released in 2007

re dc-uc was in 2007 as well

call of duty mw r -5 was 2008 alongside quantum of solace and 3 was launch

ferrari challenge

dead space extraction

wii sports resort

wii fit plus

2010

a boy and his blob

re archives re 0

no more heroes 2

red steel 2

so far-

up coming

metroid other m

zelda wii

rumored -pikmin 3

monster hunter tri

along with vc releases , thats a steady stream for me

i dont know how much better 360 is now since the only games to come in the last 2 yrs are halo and forza games

since 07 -that was 360s last big yr

2008 was ps3s first good year

so ya how in the world can any one say they had a better stream of good games

they are pretty much equal if you ask me since evey one of these 3 has had one bad year in their life time

2006 /7 was sonys

2008 nintendo

2009 microsoft

so ya um

i love nintendo , i also respect others who are trying

but when it comes to revolution -my hats off to nintendo every gen so with the exception of 1

-that was gc

they revolutionized gaming

lets see

nes-revived gaming brought duckhunt and power glove

snes-this upgraded system was pushed past its limits to render 3d

n64-analog and 4 player became standard

wii-motion controlls have /are becoming a reality - iwouldnt say standard just yet

but it paved the way

in the handhedls

gb broght that in

gbc upgraded from gb-

gba another upgrade featuring 32 bit graphics some 3d rendered games

ds-touch screen and cameras-dsi

3ds-3d gaming is all i know so far-for handhelds dont say sony created it casue thats consoles another department

and its not really standard for ps3 it was added later on in life as apose to being standard

[QUOTE="dvader654"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

How is criticizing the Wii, "trashing" Nintendo? We're consumers, and consumers will give feedback on a product. We don't need to go to System Wars to discuss perfectly valid gripes about the Wii's shortcomings, or the expensive X360 accessories and the console's poor workmanship, or whatever other nonsense Sony cooks up.

It is a well known fact that Nintendo lives and dies off its IPs and that the fans of those IPs are indeed very loyal, not that there's anything wrong with that. If you feel like that is some sort of attack, then so be it. I cannot say you're necessarily wrong however much I disagree.

GodModeEnabled

Have you read some of the posts in this thread. Some are not about just discussing the Wii's shortcomings which is fine. Some are flat out "I HATE NINTENDO!!!!" posts.

What is this:

Meanwhile their hardcore fans faithfully lap up the rancid waste byproduct of their three main franchises they have been making since the 80's, slavering about brainwashed in a drunken stupor clamoring for a chance to suck at the teet of Shigeru "I havent made a good game in almost a decade and im washed up" Miyamoto. I despise Nintendo.

Doesn't look like discussion to me.

Also this is a PUBLIC place not a place for people to run around and be an "obnoxious ass" to "liven up" any thread they deem to be "lameo".Archangel3371

Actually, you can't do much of that in a blog either.

Revolutionizing FPS games doesn't mean that it's the main way to play it, yet. It's a completely new and fresh way of playing these games, in a better way.kontejner44

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]Revolutionizing FPS games doesn't mean that it's the main way to play it, yet. It's a completely new and fresh way of playing these games, in a better way.SteveTabernacle

meh I don't know. I have real life experiences with friends (gamers) who try my Wii and I see that it requires alot of training. When I watch them play I wonder how one could be so bad at it because I consider it to be incredibly intuitive and easy to get into it. The funny part is those exact people never really understood how the f I could play with a very high sensitivity in CS 1.6 and still be a good aimer.

I see when they play, they tend to move their whole arm, and they try to keep the Wiimote straight at the screen at a right angle to the floor meaning that they move the position of the Wiimote left/right and up/down. My hand is 100% steady, I only rotate my wrist when I aim (same with a mouse) and keep my Wiimote in 1 place and that's where the center of the screen is, the aim field becomes sort of like a cone. And maybe that's partially why I am good with the Wiimote?

They also say (when they play) hey this game isn't fun I don't like the controls. Then when they see me in action, they are like "woah, now I understand what you are talking about when you praise the games so much, but yeah they aren't for me I prefer the oldschool controls"

When I say better, I mean it's ideally better. The ideal is higher, the 'skill' cap is higher. It's hard to explain what I mean, the gameplay can potentially become better, it isn't necessarily better though.

There is no such things as opinions. Quality = General consensus.kontejner44

That's the most outrageously wrong thing I've ever read on this forum. PN03 was one of my favorite games on the Game Cube, the "general consensus" pegged it as pretty terrible, I loved it. I think it's a quality niche shooter, with challenge and style to spare, very unique. I thought Doom 64 and Shadows of the Empire were the two best games on the N64, general consensus says otherwise, and I think the general consensus can take a hike on both counts. (man I'd kill to get one or both of those on the VC) In my opinion, they are all quality games, and that is a valid viewpoint. On the flip side, general consensus of Eternal Darkness said it was one of the best games on the GC. I thought it was an outright digital abortion, and one of the worst games I played on the Game Cube, consensus be damned.

You're using the ad populum fallacy, and declaring that quality is not a matter of opinion, and I just can't be bothered to have a discussion with someone who so readily disregards my right to have an opinion at all. I just can't fathom having a productive discussion about a subjective hobby like gaming with someone who has that viewpoint. So yeah, nice meeting you, but this is my last response to you on these forums. Peace.

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]There is no such things as opinions. Quality = General consensus.SteveTabernacle

That's the most outrageously wrong thing I've ever read on this forum. PN03 was one of my favorite games on the Game Cube, the "general consensus" pegged it as pretty terrible, I loved it. I think it's a quality niche shooter, with challenge and style to spare, very unique. I thought Doom 64 and Shadows of the Empire were the two best games on the N64, general consensus says otherwise, and I think the general consensus can take a hike on both counts. (man I'd kill to get one or both of those on the VC) In my opinion, they are all quality games, and that is a valid viewpoint. On the flip side, general consensus of Eternal Darkness said it was one of the best games on the GC. I thought it was an outright digital abortion, and one of the worst games I played on the Game Cube, consensus be damned.

You're using the ad populum fallacy, and declaring that quality is not a matter of opinion, and I just can't be bothered to have a discussion with someone who so readily disregards my right to have an opinion at all. I just can't fathom having a productive discussion about a subjective hobby like gaming with someone who has that viewpoint. So yeah, nice meeting you, but this is my last response to you on these forums. Peace.

I think that you would become a fantastic reviewer!

In regards to the notion of Nintendo Zealots, I think anybody with a functioning I.Q. can see this species has been a prominent part of the gaming community for some time and they will usually defend everything Nintendo does regardless of quality. Personally, I find myself firmly in the center of this whole issue because I still like some of the things Nintendo puts out while generally loathing most of their choices regarding the Wii. That said, I think it is a mistake to dismiss them entirely given the quality of games such as SMG and to a lesser extent Zelda and Metroid. Nintendo obviously does many things well even if those triumphs are often tainted by some of the worst decisions in the history of this medium.

What I am tired of is the notion that Nintendo is this shinning beacon of quality that transcends all other developers, because it's simply a poor assertion in today's industry. I think when certain people quit placing them on a pedestal other people won't feel the need to knock them off it. This thread was an invite to this kind of struggle and every subsequent thread extolling the virtues of Nintendo will end similarly. There is a reason Nintendo generates such passionate responses from both sidesand it's not because they are a perfect, beautiful little snowflake.

There is the myth of Nintendo and there is the Nintendo of reality and I think gamers are doomed to argue those two disparate entities forever.

There is no such things as opinions. Quality = General consensus.

kontejner44

So that would mean Avatar is the best film ever made?

That is a seriously depressing rubric you've crafted there.

What I am tired of is the notion that Nintendo is this shinning beacon of quality that transcends all other developers, because it's simply a poor assertion in today's industry. I think when certain people quit placing them on a pedestal other people won't feel the need to knock them off it. This thread was an invite to this kind of struggle and every subsequent thread extolling the virtues of Nintendo will end similarly. There is a reason Nintendo generates such passionate responses from both sidesand it's not because they are a perfect, beautiful little snowflake.

There is the myth of Nintendo and there is the Nintendo of reality and I think gamers are doomed to argue those two disparate entities forever.

Grammaton-Cleric

That sounds like something right out of 2003-2004. I didn't think the notion of Nintendo-the all creative, WE JUST MAKE GAMES FOR THE LOVE OF THE INDUSTRY, was still all that prevalent.

I'll be honest, I don't have a strong appeal for Nintendo this generation. For me, there isn't enough that is being offered when compared to the HD systems. I have problems looking at it as my "go-to" system especially for someone like myself that has limited time and needs to decide which game I will commit to playing.

Sure, I had fun with Super Mario Galaxy and especially had fun with No More Heroes and Madworld but it basically stopped at that.

When I heard Mistwalker was going to release their next RPG on the Wii I was let down a little. It's difficult to accept a major RPG that is being made on a home console that doesn't have the graphic power or capabilities of the other two consoles. I liken it to how SquareEnix brought Dragon Quest IX to the DS instead of releasing it on a home console.

Overall, Nintendo has taken a back seat for me.

Guys, i just want to be friends. No negative energy, ok? -whisper- nintendo rules, other systems suck :P

lostpariah

I don't love Nintendo. I don't hate it either, nor do I love/hate Microsoft, Sony or whatever. There's more than enough quality games to pick up between the overwhelming amount of platforms available these days, between portables, home consoles and PC. If I don't care about the offerings in one front, I look towards another direction, there's always something worthy of picking up. Life's too short to waste it loving or hating faceless multibillion-dollar companies.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

What I am tired of is the notion that Nintendo is this shinning beacon of quality that transcends all other developers, because it's simply a poor assertion in today's industry. I think when certain people quit placing them on a pedestal other people won't feel the need to knock them off it. This thread was an invite to this kind of struggle and every subsequent thread extolling the virtues of Nintendo will end similarly. There is a reason Nintendo generates such passionate responses from both sidesand it's not because they are a perfect, beautiful little snowflake.

There is the myth of Nintendo and there is the Nintendo of reality and I think gamers are doomed to argue those two disparate entities forever.

QuistisTrepe_

That sounds like something right out of 2003-2004. I didn't think the notion of Nintendo-the all creative, WE JUST MAKE GAMES FOR THE LOVE OF THE INDUSTRY, was still all that prevalent.

I personally run into plenty of this sentimentinhere and other places but obviously, I can only speak to my own experiences.

Lets talk about this thread. Who made Nintendo "a shinning beacon of quality that transcends all other developers". The original post is just a guy saying he loved some Nintendo games, ok, whats wrong with that. People praising a company for making good games, is that a horrible thing. Then all of a sudden the people that want to talk about zealots, and how Nintendo is not the best, and people that like them are crazy and all that show up.

Thats what I see a lot more of in this forum. Any time Nintendo comes up in almost any context a huge wave of haters come crashing in to discredit them. it doesn't matter the disucssion that is going on, just the word Nintendo on the screen seems enough to get a response. Thats what I see here.

If I am wrong point me to the post in this thread that deserved that kind of response.

(Your opinion is fine, totally valid, and I am not singling you out. I find some of those kinds of posts to be out of place in a thread like this and in other threads I have seen. Thats all.)

dvader654

I think the issue is very much what I've already touched upon: Nintendo is a polarizing company that elicits very strong responses from both sides of the spectrum. Personally, from my own perspective, I see Nintendo getting a pass for many things other companies would be shredded for. I also see a persuasive mentality by certain Nintendo fans that seem to think that financial success alone equates quality. I think I'm a bit more objective than a person who completely dismisses Nintendo as a whole, evidenced by my willingness to buy their console and products, but I will freely admit my own tolerance forNintendo's antics and current model has waned considerably. However, I'm always open to reading both sides to any issue because obviously, Nintendo is an important company for many reasons.

I think where the real animosity comes from is when the people I denote as "zealots" start making bombastic claims, such as the whole notion that the Wimote has invalidated the Dual Analog method of gaming or the assertion that Metroid Prime 3 revolutionized the FPS. Those types of assertions are rooted in fanboy logic and the need to perpetuate and spread pro-Nintendo propaganda and it falls on many deaf ears for good reason. For many of us, the issue comes down to the quality of software and after reading and hearing for three years how Nintendo was going to re-invent this medium I think it's safe to say some of us have had our fill. I think the Wii is worth owning, I think it possess a serviceable software library replete with some definite AAA games, but when people start claiming the Wii offers the best in FPS, a genre almost completely ignored on the console, that's where things get ridiculous and the zealots reveal themselves.

To be perfectly honest, I found the initial post to be relatively benign. What irked me were the Nintendo fanboys making some really ridiculous assertions in a feeble attempt to make Nintendo seems flawless.

Again, that's my own perspective on the issue.

I had some of my own criticism toward Nintendo in the past, they're certainly not perfect, but I do admit that they're taking some big strides this year.

Seeing all the release dates for the most anticipated games across all systems, it's surprising that I'm mostly excited for the Wii games coming out. Finally, Nintendo is coming out with some good games worth having.

This is just me though.

But there was a huge drought for awhile with only like one or two must-have titles on the Wii, but there's a nice flood of great titles coming out within the next six months, which is great!

Makes the Wii a good investment. And Wii's downloadable games are still the best.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I had some of my own criticism toward Nintendo in the past, they're certainly not perfect, but I do admit that they're taking some big strides this year.

Seeing all the release dates for the most anticipated games across all systems, it's surprising that I'm mostly excited for the Wii games coming out. Finally, Nintendo is coming out with some good games worth having.

This is just me though.

But there was a huge drought for awhile with only like one or two must-have titles on the Wii, but there's a nice flood of great titles coming out within the next six months, which is great!

Makes the Wii a good investment. And Wii's downloadable games are still the best.

dvader654

plus they need more than just these three big so called hardcore franchises. Sony has already introduced like 7 new IPs this gen, and almost all of them have been above average games. MS has published around 4-5. Nintendo has one decent new IP, Wii Sports, and even that is technically a mini game collection.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I had some of my own criticism toward Nintendo in the past, they're certainly not perfect, but I do admit that they're taking some big strides this year.

Seeing all the release dates for the most anticipated games across all systems, it's surprising that I'm mostly excited for the Wii games coming out. Finally, Nintendo is coming out with some good games worth having.

This is just me though.

But there was a huge drought for awhile with only like one or two must-have titles on the Wii, but there's a nice flood of great titles coming out within the next six months, which is great!

Makes the Wii a good investment. And Wii's downloadable games are still the best.

dvader654

Well, if Dragon Quest X comes out in 2011, that's all the Wii needs! And then the system can die happy into the next transition! :D

Also, all Nintendo has to do is come out with New Super Mario Bros. Wii 2 and there you go, another 500 million sold! ;)

I love Metroid, Zelda, and Mario, but I always wanted another Donkey Kong Country game. Yeah, I know, probably never going to happen at this rate, but it would still bee nice to see a Donkey Kong platformer of some sort and not some bongo playing game. And there should be another Kirby game on the Wii; something like Kirby 64 would be awesome. They should also make a new Fire Emblem game on the Wii that isn't a sequel, and it would be cool to see Golden Sun on the Wii (though I am excited for Golden Sun DS).

As much as I like Nintendo, I know they are not flawless. They could certainly give attention to other mascots other than Mario, Link and Samus (like I mentioned above), and the Wii certainly does have alot of shovelware. But that being said, there ae still plenty of quality games on the Wii, and there is the virtual console and WiiWare, so I can forgive the Wii. :3

[QUOTE="dvader654"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I had some of my own criticism toward Nintendo in the past, they're certainly not perfect, but I do admit that they're taking some big strides this year.

Seeing all the release dates for the most anticipated games across all systems, it's surprising that I'm mostly excited for the Wii games coming out. Finally, Nintendo is coming out with some good games worth having.

This is just me though.

But there was a huge drought for awhile with only like one or two must-have titles on the Wii, but there's a nice flood of great titles coming out within the next six months, which is great!

Makes the Wii a good investment. And Wii's downloadable games are still the best.

S0lidSnake

plus they need more than just these three big so called hardcore franchises. Sony has already introduced like 7 new IPs this gen, and almost all of them have been above average games. MS has published around 4-5. Nintendo has one decent new IP, Wii Sports, and even that is technically a mini game collection.

See, that's the strangest thing in regard to Nintendo: They actually have a fair amount of IP's although maybe not new, but a nice reboot would be cool. Startropics, Pilotwings, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, Kirby, Wario, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, and of course the big 3. Granted the newest one is Pikmin, but it seems like unless Mario, Zelda, or Samus is involved they are either given half hearted efforts or disappear entirely. If Nintendo put as much effort into reviving old franchises or further establishing new ones I would have fewer complaints about Nintendo. When they really put the effort in does it ever show, but by and large this generation what they have shown me is that they are more interested in "coasting it out." It's disappointing and I think it's a reason why Nintendo is greeted with tough criticism: We know they can make great games, so to see what they are doing warrants the criticism.

As for 3rd parties? Well, this has really been an issue since the N64 days. Unless it is made by Nintendo(with a FEW exceptions), it tends to be overlooked. It's a shame too, given how many unknown gems could be found on the 64, Cube, and the Wii. This I am a bit hesitant to blame on Nintendo, though. I'm not saying Ninty is guilt free, but a fair share of guilt falls on the consumer. If Nintendo could find a way to get the consumer support of the Wii with the 3rd party support(and quality) of the DS, that console would be a force to be reckoned with.

I love Metroid, Zelda, and Mario, but I always wanted another Donkey Kong Country game.

DJ-Lafleur

I find it bizarre that Donkey Kong IPs which were such cash cows for Nintendo and featured were so prominently in back in Nintendo's N64 and Gamecube days, are completely absent on the Wii.

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

I love Metroid, Zelda, and Mario, but I always wanted another Donkey Kong Country game.

QuistisTrepe_

I find it bizarre that Donkey Kong IPs were such cash cows for Nintendo and featured so prominently in their N64 and Gamecube days, but has been completely absent on the Wii.

There was a bongo game on the Wii, I believe.

But dammit, just because rare left Nintendo, doesn't mean Nintendo can't try to make a good DK platformer. :cry:

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

I love Metroid, Zelda, and Mario, but I always wanted another Donkey Kong Country game.

QuistisTrepe_

I find it bizarre that Donkey Kong IPs were such cash cows for Nintendo and featured so prominently in their N64 and Gamecube days, but has been completely absent on the Wii.

Doom also. and then all the other one hit wonders, like Perfect Dark.

Having just replayed and finished Super Mario Galaxy last night, I am again reminded of what separates them from the rest: Nintendo's games have a feeling of warmth, joy, wonder and magic that few other games I've played on other consoles have successfully emulated or matched so far (The Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time is really the only one that comes within reach). As corny as it sounds,Nintendo's games have soul. It's unfortunate that there is so much shovelware diluting the truly great titles on the Wii, but when the big N hits it, it hits it right on and becomes the epitome of what gaming can and should be.

That's why I love Nintendo, and as long as I continue to love gamingI'll have to support them, as they make the best games out there. Sure they have flaws, but their contributions cannot be ignored.

Doom also. and then all the other one hit wonders, like Perfect Dark.

lostpariah

[QUOTE="lostpariah"]

Doom also. and then all the other one hit wonders, like Perfect Dark.

foxhound_fox

no wonder timesplitters is so good....