Why I Love Nintendo

Ok lets get this over with. There's no doubt that the Nintendo Wii is full of shovelware (i mean honestly there's a game titled "Babycatz"). There also aren't exactly a steady stream of great games like the other two consoles (more so with the ps3). I myself have gotten pretty bored with my Wii. We lost power in our area about a month ago and the power indicator on my Wii is still red as i haven't even turned it on and connected it to wifi since then.

Nonetheless, the title of this thread is "Why I Love Nintendo" not "Why the Wii Sucks".

Getting to the point, i'ts just the great nostalgia Nintendo has developed within me. Everytime I look at my Wii and think of when I'll get to dusting it off, I also think of the first time I played Ocarina of Time and Super Mario Bros. I think of those days I brought my Gameboy to school to play on the bus ride and the song in the first level of Donkey Kong Country. I think of my first play through of Earthbound and flying through the sky in Super Mario Galaxy. I think of these amazing gaming experiences that have yet to be topped and I fall for Nintendo all over again. This is why I love Nintendo and won't ever stop.

Nintendo's cool, I agree.

I like Nintendo but honestly the company needs to ban some developers releasing some of the poor quality games on the Wii I'm talking about companies like Data Design Interactive the people who developed that Ninjabread Man because Nintendo's seal of quality should mean something. Nintendo should be over seeing what is coming out on the system.

But I also don't like Nintendo's price ideas on video games while you get Microsoft and Sony with a budget range who reduce games but yet Nintendo will still charge you full price for a game that's nearly 4 to 5 years old which is not on.

Nintendo was the best during the days of the SNES especially when they had Rare LTD (Rareware) developing the Donkey Kong games for Nintendo those were the great days. I'm still wondering why Nintendo thought it was a great idea to sell their stake of the company considering Rare Ltd developed some of the best titles for Nintendo.

I still like Nintendo some. But they just let the devs ruin the wii with all the shovel ware. Wii was a cool idea but nintendo just went the devs go crazy and make games that are crap. There are some good games. But there isn't a constant steam of them.

But its not about the Shovelware. Its about the Zelda, Mario,Metroids of the system. Thats what makes nintendo what it is, and that stuff is still alive, and Nintendo as well.

I still like Nintendo some. But they just let the devs ruin the wii with all the shovel ware. Wii was a cool idea but nintendo just went the devs go crazy and make games that are crap. There are some good games. But there isn't a constant steam of them.

James161324

I too love Nintendo because they're always coming out with innovative new ways to play games and then other companies copy them and it becomes the new standard in gaming. Also their first party titles are still the best. It's true the Wii has more droughts and shovelware than the other consoles but they also get more niche titles than the others and have a great variety of game genres to choose from.

agreed

I too love Nintendo because they're always coming out with innovative new ways to play games and then other companies copy them and it becomes the new standard in gaming. Also their first party titles are still the best. It's true the Wii has more droughts and shovelware than the other consoles but they also get more niche titlesthan the others and have a great variety of game genres to choose from.

Bigboi500

That statement has no basis in reality. Nintendo itself is extremely conservative. That coupled with a lack of third party support (including support from indies who offer their games only via digital download) translates into fewer niche titles than one sees on the X360, the PS3 or PC.

The only genres in which the Wii sees more games than the others guys are minigame collections and lightgun shooters.

But its not about the Shovelware. Its about the Zelda, Mario,Metroids of the system. Thats what makes nintendo what it is, and that stuff is still alive, and Nintendo as well.

lostpariah

The seems to be the way most core Nintendo fans feel, which is why third party support for the Wii (and the GC before it) is so abysmal and why Nintendo releases more Mario games in a month than they have new IPs the entirety of this generation.

Happily for third parties, casual gamers are less franchise loyal (which is why games like Carnival Games, Guitar Heroes, EA Fit and of course that new dancing game have done well).

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

I too love Nintendo because they're always coming out with innovative new ways to play games and then other companies copy them and it becomes the new standard in gaming. Also their first party titles are still the best. It's true the Wii has more droughts and shovelware than the other consoles but they also get more niche titlesthan the others and have a great variety of game genres to choose from.

CarnageHeart

That statement has no basis in reality. Nintendo itself is extremely conservative. That coupled with a lack of third party support (including support from indies who offer their games only via digital download) translates into fewer niche titles than one sees on the X360, the PS3 or PC.

The only genres in which the Wii sees more games than the others guys are minigame collections and lightgun shooters.

i agree with the OP. Nintendo is great and i will love it forever

There also aren't exactly a steady stream of great games like the other two consoles (more so with the ps3).

kingofcosmos231

That's completely subjective. I know what you mean, which games you are talking about, but they don't appeal to me. The only 360 exclusive I want to play is Halo ( I have PSWii ). Sure there are cool titles you could have a fun time with but I'm mostly interested in the top games. I bought my PS3 solely for UC2 and MGS4, sure now that I got the console, ofc I will buy some games I'd like to play. But these additional games are nowhere near the kind of enjoyment I get through Nintendo 1st party lineup.

Also about 'dusting of my Wii", again I get what you're saying. There's no MW2, Halo 3 on Wii. I've played the game I consider the best game this gen, only 60 hours in almost 3 years aka 242 stars. I've had more fun playing 60 hours of SMG than 300 hours of MW2 (I love that game). The fun factor in Nintendo games is extremely higher, but I understand if you're into online games then the Wii tends to get 'dusty' :P

Fun factor / Hour is much higher in Nintendo games and that's what matters, for me. Formulated in other words; I play my Wii rarely, but it's my favourite console of all time.

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

I too love Nintendo because they're always coming out with innovative new ways to play games and then other companies copy them and it becomes the new standard in gaming. Also their first party titles are still the best. It's true the Wii has more droughts and shovelware than the other consoles but they also get more niche titlesthan the others and have a great variety of game genres to choose from.

Bigboi500

That statement has no basis in reality. Nintendo itself is extremely conservative. That coupled with a lack of third party support (including support from indies who offer their games only via digital download) translates into fewer niche titles than one sees on the X360, the PS3 or PC.

The only genres in which the Wii sees more games than the others guys are minigame collections and lightgun shooters.

:P Nice try. I notice you didn't refute my point. At least at some level you recognize theridiculousness of your argument. Also, given that the TC talked about how his Wii is covered in dust, I'm not the only person in this thread who thinks from a core game perspective, the Wii is lacking.

Also,my PSP post talked about games (remember those?) not feelings.

Nintendo is cool. i just think they should go back to the old gaming controller we love.

I have a lot of nostalgia for SNES/N64 Nintendo too... but that doesn't make up for the lack of anything new coming from Nintendo or their encouraging of third-parties. I've grown tired of Mario platformers, am sceptical about where Metroid is headed, and despite finding Twilight Princess enjoyable, am somewhat discouraged it took this long for a Zelda "reboot." They haven't made anything "new" since Animal Crossing and Pikmin last generation, and not really anything this generation. Miyamoto exhuasted his creativity on the SNES and really hasn't flexed his "muscle" for a very long time; I feel he is being held back by Nintendo, and being forced to make overly-similar sequels to games he made 25 years ago.

:lol: Not when I talk to the likes of you.

Also, your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking. I clearly stated that are two types of Wii fans, the hardcore (ex-GC owners who care about little more than Mario, Zelda and to a lesser extent Metroid) and casuals (new to gaming,big fans of minigame collections). Of course, there are Wii owners in existence who care about more than Mario, Zelda and Metroid but very, very few of them.

Your statements thatyou own all three consoles and aren't are hardcore gamer are mildly interesting but not really relevant to the debate at hand (your bizarre claim that the Wii sees more niche games than any other system).

CarnageHeart

Nintendo's whoring this industry out to the lowest common denominator soccer moms and their hyperactive ritalin addicted brats. They promise great deliverance from mediocrity with a "revolutionized" control scheme, and then delivering mountains of festering, putrid shovelware, and throwaway gimmick games. Meanwhile their hardcore fans faithfully lap up the rancid waste byproduct of their three main franchises they have been making since the 80's, slavering about brainwashed in a drunken stupor clamoring for a chance to suck at the teet of Shigeru "I havent made a good game in almost a decade and im washed up" Miyamoto. I despise Nintendo. GodModeEnabled

Accoording to this game industry (where I live, the Earth), those 3 franchises you speak so dearly of are considered to be of quality by the general consensus, this gen.

What you think as 1 person, is irrelevant.

The gaming industry is changing, Nintendo is one of the reasons why it is, and it's heading towards a better direction.

If you don't like it, suck it up and adapt.

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[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"]

:lol: Not when I talk to the likes of you.

Also, your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking. I clearly stated that are two types of Wii fans, the hardcore (ex-GC owners who care about little more than Mario, Zelda and to a lesser extent Metroid) and casuals (new to gaming,big fans of minigame collections). Of course, there are Wii owners in existence who care about more than Mario, Zelda and Metroid but very, very few of them.

Your statements thatyou own all three consoles and aren't are hardcore gamer are mildly interesting but not really relevant to the debate at hand (your bizarre claim that the Wii sees more niche games than any other system).

CarnageHeart

That makes no sense. Next time hit 'print preview' before you hit 'submit' to make sure your clever thought is expressed in intelligible English. *Shrugs* Anyway, why don't you try defending your argument that the Wii is the best platform in the industry for niche games? That might be easier for you.

Accoording to this game industry (where I live, the Earth), those 3 franchises you speak so dearly of are considered to be of quality by the general consensus, this gen.

What you think as 1 person, is irrelevant.

The gaming industry is changing, Nintendo is one of the reasons why it is, and it's heading towards a better direction.

If you don't like it, suck it up and adapt.

kontejner44

Nintendo's whoring this industry out to the lowest common denominator soccer moms and their hyperactive ritalin addicted brats. They promise great deliverance from mediocrity with a "revolutionized" control scheme, and then delivering mountains of festering, putrid shovelware, and throwaway gimmick games. Meanwhile their hardcore fans faithfully lap up the rancid waste byproduct of their three main franchises they have been making since the 80's, slavering about brainwashed in a drunken stupor clamoring for a chance to suck at the teet of Shigeru "I havent made a good game in almost a decade and im washed up" Miyamoto. I despise Nintendo. GodModeEnabled

So people that Like Mario games, Metroid games, and Zelda games are stupid and are brainless? :|

[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Nintendo's whoring this industry out to the lowest common denominator soccer moms and their hyperactive ritalin addicted brats. They promise great deliverance from mediocrity with a "revolutionized" control scheme, and then delivering mountains of festering, putrid shovelware, and throwaway gimmick games. Meanwhile their hardcore fans faithfully lap up the rancid waste byproduct of their three main franchises they have been making since the 80's, slavering about brainwashed in a drunken stupor clamoring for a chance to suck at the teet of Shigeru "I havent made a good game in almost a decade and im washed up" Miyamoto. I despise Nintendo. DJ-Lafleur

So people that Like Mario games, Metroid games, and Zelda games are stupid and are brainless? :|

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]Accoording to this game industry (where I live, the Earth), those 3 franchises you speak so dearly of are considered to be of quality by the general consensus, this gen.

What you think as 1 person, is irrelevant.

The gaming industry is changing, Nintendo is one of the reasons why it is, and it's heading towards a better direction.

If you don't like it, suck it up and adapt.

foxhound_fox

Let me correct that; "Accoording to this game industry, aka the professionals who review games and get money for what they do, consider that these games are innovative / that of quality / some are even worthy of GOTY (GT gave it to TP, The whole world to SMG)"

If you tell me that SMG is a rehash, then you belong in the PS360 crowd.

Accoording to this game industry (where I live, the Earth), those 3 franchises you speak so dearly of are considered to be of quality by the general consensus, this gen.What you think as 1 person, is irrelevant.The gaming industry is changing, Nintendo is one of the reasons why it is, and it's heading towards a better direction.If you don't like it, suck it up and adapt.kontejner44

Let me correct that; "Accoording to this game industry, aka the professionals who review games and get money for what they do, consider that these games are innovative / that of quality / some are even worthy of GOTY (GT gave it to TP, The whole world to SMG)"

If you tell me that SMG is a rehash, then you belong in the PS360 crowd.

kontejner44

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[QUOTE="GodModeEnabled"]Nintendo's whoring this industry out to the lowest common denominator soccer moms and their hyperactive ritalin addicted brats. They promise great deliverance from mediocrity with a "revolutionized" control scheme, and then delivering mountains of festering, putrid shovelware, and throwaway gimmick games. Meanwhile their hardcore fans faithfully lap up the rancid waste byproduct of their three main franchises they have been making since the 80's, slavering about brainwashed in a drunken stupor clamoring for a chance to suck at the teet of Shigeru "I havent made a good game in almost a decade and im washed up" Miyamoto. I despise Nintendo. Bigboi500

So people that Like Mario games, Metroid games, and Zelda games are stupid and are brainless? :|

To both of you, please get some perspective; Quality = General consensus.

The reviewers have a defined pattern of how to review the game; they DO NOT review a game in a subjective manner.

You guys don't belong in the gaming industry.

kontejner44

To both of you, please get some perspective; Quality = General consensus.

The reviewers have a defined pattern of how to review the game; they DO NOT review a game in a subjective manner.

You guys don't belong in the gaming industry.

kontejner44

Why does SMG have a metascore of 97/100, while there are LOTS of people who think that it's way overrated.

Did they all by chance love it? highly doubt it.

Explain this

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

So people that Like Mario games, Metroid games, and Zelda games are stupid and are brainless? :|

SMG is a rehash. It is a high quality game based on the exact same gameplay formula as Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario 64 before it. Those games in turn are also based on the same formula as those games before them. There has never been anything genuinely "new" about the Mario series. It has technically been a "rehash" from the start. Its success is based on its ability to rehash the same idea over and over again to a high degree.

My point is, Nintendo in all their vast wealth and talent, would rather keep making the "same" game over and over again, solely to take advantage of the name they have built for themselves... and NOT taking any risks with new ideas or concepts and integrating them into their games. The closest thing they come to "risk" would be a sequel to Sin & Punishment.

foxhound_fox

I'd say Nintendo has taken the largest risk of all introducing the dual-screened DS and the Wiimote. It paid off for them in spades and now Sony and Microsoft are following suit.

You're the one calling mario/zelda/metroid fans brainwashed morons:? Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]You're the one calling mario/zelda/metroid fans brainwashed morons:? GodModeEnabled

Gaming is changing fundamentally. Trial and Error gameplay has reached the end of its era. That's why there are games solely based on this; Megaman 9 and 10.

Metroid Prime Trilogy has re-defined the way you control FPS games. As of now, Dual-analogue is out-dated. Move will probably be incorporated by Sony in FPS games, and if so I will definitely get it.

The moto is: Simple and Accessible. Remove all the frustrating T and E components, make games linear and simple for a much more enjoyable experience.

Handheld space speaks for itself. 3D + Stulys, what's next? I'm excited.

I love Mario, Metroid and Zelda more than ever before. I love 2D games, Castlevania, Mario, Metroid, give me more of these.

The moto is: Simple and Accessib-- make games linear and simple for a much more enjoyable experience.kontejner44

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]The moto is: Simple and Accessib-- make games linear and simple for a much more enjoyable experience.GodModeEnabled

Try playing real games, skill-oriented games. They're called E-sport games.

CS 1.6

Trackmania

WC3:TFT

and more

Throw Story and Realism out the window and bring me some pure gameplay experiences.

Gaming is changing fundamentally. Trial and Error gameplay has reached the end of its era. That's why there are games solely based on this; Megaman 9 and 10.

Metroid Prime Trilogy has re-defined the way you control FPS games. As of now, Dual-analogue is out-dated. Move will probably be incorporated by Sony in FPS games, and if so I will definitely get it.

The moto is: Simple and Accessible. Remove all the frustrating T and E components, make games linear and simple for a much more enjoyable experience.

Handheld space speaks for itself. 3D + Stulys, what's next? I'm excited.

I love Mario, Metroid and Zelda more than ever before. I love 2D games, Castlevania, Mario, Metroid, give me more of these.

kontejner44

Games like inFamous utilize mid-mission check points where when you die, you start back in the middle of your current mission. Final Fantasy XIII holds your hand and casually leads you straight forward and allows you to keep your cp and progress every time you die. There is talk of the newest Splinter Cell making similar adjustments for their newest game.

As you said gaming is changing in that direction and it's not a bad thing either. Those little touches provide streamlined experiences without the frustrations of trial and error. As graphics, physics, presentation etc. build and grow so does the physical ability to progress through the games we play today more smoothly.

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

Gaming is changing fundamentally. Trial and Error gameplay has reached the end of its era. That's why there are games solely based on this; Megaman 9 and 10.

Metroid Prime Trilogy has re-defined the way you control FPS games. As of now, Dual-analogue is out-dated. Move will probably be incorporated by Sony in FPS games, and if so I will definitely get it.

The moto is: Simple and Accessible. Remove all the frustrating T and E components, make games linear and simple for a much more enjoyable experience.

Handheld space speaks for itself. 3D + Stulys, what's next? I'm excited.

I love Mario, Metroid and Zelda more than ever before. I love 2D games, Castlevania, Mario, Metroid, give me more of these.

Bigboi500

Games like inFamous utilize mid-mission check points where when you die, you start back in the middle of your current mission. Final Fantasy XIII holds your hand and casually leads you straight forward and allows you to keep your cp and progress every time you die. There is talk of the newest Splinter Cell making similar adjustments for their newest game.

As you said gaming is changing in that direction and it's not a bad thing either. Those little touches provide streamlined experiences without the frustrations of trial and error. As graphics, physics, presentation etc. build and grow so does the physical ability to progress through the games we play today more smoothly.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, the only difference is that I don't play those types of games but I appreciate them,and I'm happy that there's a person on the other side of the spectrum that think's like me.

Other companies are just as guilty of this as Nintendo. God of War 3 is a perfect example of this. Halo 3 and ODST would be another. Nintendo has been around a lot longer than the other companies so naturally their rehashing has gone on a bit longer than the newer companies.

I'd say Nintendo has taken the largest risk of all introducing the dual-screened DS and the Wiimote. It paid off for them in spades and now Sony and Microsoft are following suit.

Bigboi500

Metroid Prime Trilogy has re-defined the way you control FPS games. As of now, Dual-analogue is out-dated. Move will probably be incorporated by Sony in FPS games, and if so I will definitely get it.kontejner44

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Other companies are just as guilty of this as Nintendo. God of War 3 is a perfect example of this. Halo 3 and ODST would be another. Nintendo has been around a lot longer than the other companies so naturally their rehashing has gone on a bit longer than the newer companies.

I'd say Nintendo has taken the largest risk of all introducing the dual-screened DS and the Wiimote. It paid off for them in spades and now Sony and Microsoft are following suit.

foxhound_fox

Metroid Prime Trilogy has re-defined the way you control FPS games. As of now, Dual-analogue is out-dated. Move will probably be incorporated by Sony in FPS games, and if so I will definitely get it.kontejner44

I forgot to add Console in front. Mouse+KB > Pointer > Dual-analogue

It's not in terms of preference I mean this

I'd rather play a hard game when I'm looking for competetive gaming, which is hard in a good way: E-sports. I don't want games to be oldschool-hard anymore. I used to play CS 1.6 but it requires too much, I'm sticking to solo play in Trackmania where I compete with other peoples times. It's a time-attack based racer. I'm actually playing it as I type.

There's a reason for the dumbed down difficulty. The boss still requires the same strat to kill, but you eliminate frustrating elements. It's actually human nature, we are lazy, I CAN learn through T and E, probably slower than you because you are probably more experienced, but it's pointless I just want to experience things.

I want to feel the atmosphere in Prime games, I want to get my mind blown by really awesome gravitational physics in SMG (apply this to Portal too, love it), I want to do innovative things with the items in TP such as the magnetic pull on the iron boots in Fire temple. I want them to give me a mind teaser, but not slow me down from progressing. I want it to be balanced between complex puzzle and "out there" mechanics aka 'Normal' difficulty. I want my 50 hour+ experience in SMG and TP. I want to breeze through, I don't want to play these games in a hardcore fashion.

I've gotten tired of getting stuck.

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

To both of you, please get some perspective; Quality = General consensus.

The reviewers have a defined pattern of how to review the game; they DO NOT review a game in a subjective manner.

You guys don't belong in the gaming industry.

foxhound_fox

Usually its first parties who are responsible for pushing their console in new directions (most third parties target their games at a console's existing audience) because its first parties who have a deep interest in expanding the userbase of a console, and traditionally, they've run risks to do so. MS funded a bunch of rpgs (they even created Mistwalker) in order to create/demonstrate a demand for rpgs on the Xbox and X360(third parties would have just been happy to keep making rpgs on the PS2, whose audience was proven). Sony funded a bunch of shooters in order to create/demonstrate a demand for first persons shooters on the PS2 and PS3 (third parties would kept focusing on the Xbox/X360). Before that, Sony funded several guy games (Crash Bandicoot, Sly, Ratchet) to create/prove the existence of an audience on their consoles. And of course, Sony and MS are also doing a lot to encourage indie development on their systems (MS has done more in that arena than Sony due to XBLA though both their download service have drawn strong indie support).

Hell, in the old days Nintendo took risks to expand its audience (think Eternal Darkness, Conker's BFD and Goldeneye) but now, they take no risks and fail to innovate, but core Nintendo fans are okay with that as long as Mario, Metroid and Samus keep coming. I was struck when last year Reggie bragged that Nintendo had made over two hundred Mario games. The culture of Nintendo is such that creative people no longer work in Nintendo or are interested in working with Nintendo (who has no interest in creating anything but Mario, Zelda and Metroid). I'm sure Nintendo has hired a lot of people, but they are clearly people whose highest ambition in life is drawing Mario and friends over and over and over and over again.

As for the notion that people who don't want to buy the same three franchises ad infinitum shouldn't be in the industry, I can't say I'm surprised by the attitude. Any core gamer who wanted original games parted ways with Nintendo in the GC days, what remains are people content with the status quo.

Gaming is changing fundamentally. Trial and Error gameplay has reached the end of its era. That's why there are games solely based on this; Megaman 9 and 10.

Metroid Prime Trilogy has re-defined the way you control FPS games. As of now, Dual-analogue is out-dated. Move will probably be incorporated by Sony in FPS games, and if so I will definitely get it.

The moto is: Simple and Accessible. Remove all the frustrating T and E components, make games linear and simple for a much more enjoyable experience.

Handheld space speaks for itself. 3D + Stulys, what's next? I'm excited.

I love Mario, Metroid and Zelda more than ever before. I love 2D games, Castlevania, Mario, Metroid, give me more of these.

kontejner44

Cheap game design stopped being accepted years before the Wii (stuff that gamers complained about in NG2 and DMC3 was stuff they would have accepted without blinking in the 16 bit days). In era of the optical disc, gamers want games whose length is derived from the amount of content, not cheapness (oh, that last one hit kill got you, now you have to play the whole level again!). Its worth noting that there is a big difference between cheap and tough (gamers like tough, which is why online gaming is so hugely popular despite the online play is tough). AI in most games isn't up to snuff, but that is changing (there are middleware providers whosell AI solutionsthe same wayphysics packages like Havok are now sold).

Your claim that games are moving towards linearity is contradicted by the massive popularity of open world games. I can't think of a single genre which is getting more linear or is staying as linear as it used to be. Big chunks of FF13 are more linear than most games, but Squenix always messes with the formula (FF12 is the least linear of any FF) so anyone expecting a feature of a given game to mark a turning point for the series is ignoring history.

Also, motion controls haven't revolutionized anything yet, not even shooters. Core gamers have little respect for waggle and it isn't being introduced for their benefit (Sony and MS want to make dumptruck loads of money building cheap minigames the same way developers on the Wii do). The controllers themselves are simplified (Sony's has no buttons, MS's of course has no buttons) but the numbers of buttons of traditional controllers or the PC keyboard is something that casuals have an issue with, not core gamers.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure motion control will be shoehorned into a lot of games (though Sony has wisely stated at most it will be an alternative, and full controllers will be usable with all their fukk games), but I strongly doubt core gamers will say 'Waggle and fewer/no buttons are wonderful!' and wind up getting rid of their full controllers.