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Xbox executive says comparing specs is "meaningless"

Microsoft product planning boss Albert Penello says consumers truly care about games and experiences above all else.

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Xbox executive Albert Penello believes comparing systems specifications between Xbox One and PlayStation 4 is "in some ways meaningless."

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"The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless," Penello told OXM. "Because this isn't like 1990, when it was 16-bit versus 32-bit."

He continued, "They actually go out and they talk about how proud they are about their off-the-shelf parts. Our guys'll say, we touched every single component in the box and everything there is tweaked for optimum performance."

Ultimately, Penello said he believes consumers will choose a console for the games it has, not for how it is described--technically--on paper.

"Here's what you care about," he said. "You bought a system to play great games and have great experiences," Penello said. "I feel like our games and experiences are going to be every bit as good, if not better, technically--on top of all the magic we're going to add with the instant switching, and the power of the cloud."

Penello said he would rather not even have the conversation about Xbox One vs. PS4 specifications because "it's not going to matter."

"I heard this exact same argument last generation and it's a pointless argument, because people are debating things which they don't know about. They're not [head silicon engineer] Nick Baker or [corporate vice president of IEB hardware Todd Holmdahl], and I'm not [lead PS4 architect] Mark Cerny, so why are we having this discussion?"

The Xbox One ($500) and the PS4 ($400) launch later this year.

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Xbox one all round is going to be the best console in the long run wait and see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_exclusives_(seventh_generation)

360 n ps3 exclusives handful of great games on each but the rest very average and mediocre.

generally most best games are on both consoles

So who wins xbox so much more added to the console, conecting your cable to the box so switching changing channel can be done without a remote. kinect my family have had ppl round while the young ones have been playing games and alwayed asked if there something they can all play..... kinect sports.

everyone crying i want my console to just play games, does a mobile just ring and txt no.

kindle fires just read books no.

x1 is a console for games but to make life better for not just kids and geek gamers even your nan can switch it on and play sumthing lighthearted

x1andonly ps4get

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The No.1 reason specs matter to me is because of Naughty Dog. That's it. I can't wait to see the exclusives they will make for the PS4. Honestly right now they are the only ones who are capable of capitalizing on the outstanding specs, built into the PS3 and PS4. In the end I think both systems will be great. The question is which system will have exclusives that force people who didn't initially want their system to buy them.

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@laplace985 god of war also takes full advantage an mgs 4 did too

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honestly, the guy probably is right. I for one am not a huge tech guy, gamer yes; tech savvy... sort of. but the truth is whether or not he is right the way you word a statement is crucial especially when talking to press so as they cannot garble rearrange or straight up misquote you, i personally feel (if i was an Xbox fan) insulted. luckily for me I've always been more into Sony well that's true to say when the ps2 was released and Nintendo really started down the rabbit hole with the GameCube.

no matter the case out the gates on which console will do better in the end both consoles WILL reach a point of equality in sales.

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Edited By blitxxx1981

The console gamer shouldn't even care about the specs between the two... Seriously, the only gamers that care or understand about specs are PC gamers

Why? Because game devs that are making their game titles for both platforms try to optimize the separate versions for the separate systems the best they can.

In the end, they are still the same game whether it is on the One or PS4.


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I never pay attention to any of that technical jargon, partly because it's like a foreign language to me and I have no interest in it, but mainly because it's all about the games and whether or not you enjoy them.

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The truth is the gap between Microsoft Xbox 360 and PS3 was not that huge even when you factor in the Blu Ray aspect in. I keep hearing people talk about memory and Terrraflops. The real truth is that unless its a first person game you will get near identical experiences on multiplats. People are wasting their energy talking about PS4 being greater and blah, blah, blah when we have yet to sit with both systems and compare them.

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lol so MS brag about sales numbers and they mad when Sony brag about specifications numbers

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Dude has a point. Majority of people don't truly understand the differences in the specs. For instance can u explain to me the benefit of xboxs esram? How about gddr5s increased latency as compared to ddr3?

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@stanknuggetz12 But those of us who do understand it are able to explain it to non-techies who still care about having the more powerful gaming console.

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Microsoft executive have made me decide to not buy a xbox one, because of all of the crap that they have said sense the announcement of the xbox one.

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@zhnun So the fact that PS4 is 50% more powerful than XBone wasn't enough? Put another way, imagine how much better the XBone would be if it increased it's graphics 1.5 times. Now imagine that the ps4 is already there. If that doesn't matter, or if you think it is a small difference, then I have some swamp-land I'd like to sell you... :-)

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Lol you just proved this articles point. You use the word fact before making a false statement about things you don't understand.

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@marvelx3 @stanknuggetz12

Was that a joke? Because if it was, it was really funny.

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@Evilpill @dpclark @stanknuggetz12 Yes, superior specs did help the Xbox -- made it a household name even though it was a newcomer. Yes, superior specs did help the PS3 -- it was released a year later and at 200 dollars more but it still ended up passing the 360 in the end.

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@marvelx3 @stanknuggetz12 I know right. Just face it people, Uncharted 3, The Last of Us and Beyond: Two Souls are Xbox 360 exclusives because of the Xbox 360's superior power.

Fanboy, you just proved the point that specs matter. Some games that required a lot of RAM ran more smoothly on the Xbox 360 because the PS3 foolishly had segregated RAM.

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@stanknuggetz12 you know what, gamers are idiots. LEARN FROM HISTORY PEOPLE. Sony has been here before boasting about ps3 performance and graphics, yet xbox3 out performed the ps3 in graphics and performance.

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@dpclark @stanknuggetz12 Totally meaningless if you don't know how to optimize those resources. You can drive a Ferrari like Mini you know. Power doesn't mean a thing if it's not balanced or well used.

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Yes you can copy numbers you've read but you don't understand the technology hence why you say 50% better graphics. It's doesn't work that way kid.

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@Evilpill True. I don't disagree.

I agree that, in a way, Microsoft is right to downplay specs - if sales are the most important thing - which it is to THEM. XBone will sell well.

However, we are not Microsoft. So the question is this... are sales figures the most important thing to US? Do we buy a console based on sales? Likely not.

The contest of which console beats the other is irrelevant to the gamer. I am disappointed that there was not as much outrage over the paltry specs of the XBone because, as you said, games will have to be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. It affects the whole industry.

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@dpclark @stanknuggetz12

TFLOP a brain. It is very minimal but to you its a huge number. Fact is this will not and issue very long as developers harness and condense certain trivial matters.

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@dpclark @stanknuggetz12

Just so you understand, the original Xbox had superior specs than the Ps2. Did that help microsoft? The Ps3 specs were superior to the Xbox360, yet the 360 out sold Ps3 in America. Simply, the point of this article is that specs don't matter. Game designers will always make their titles based on the hardware that is inferior, so that they can port with no problems.

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@stanknuggetz12 Fact: PS4 = 1.84TFLOPs.

Fact: XBone = 1.23 TFLOPs

Fact: PS4 50% better graphics than XBone.

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(Sigh) MS needs to tell its peeps to just shut the fcuk up and sell the stoopid box.."its gonna give u Netflix..TV..games..music..hand jobs..etc"..say what it does and quit telling people what the fcuk they want and know..that's the worst shit..when a car sales man tells me "look buddy..I don't mean to tell you that u have shit for brains..but this is what you want..and forget about understanding the doohickies that makes it run..but that's all right..because its what you want.."

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This article makes gamespot look biased for even posting..."The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers," of course the Xbox executive would say something like that if they have worse numbers, why even mention it. I could be wrong but show me a link in sony's favor of arguing you shouldn't compare the Xbox and playstation -__-

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Can't say this sounds like a confident statement from Microsoft. It's like a hurt schoolboy saying "Well I know how to use it!" in the locker room when he finds he doesn't measure up to the rest of the jocks.

Bummer, Microsoft. Yes, games matter. Yes, specs matter. Your mission is to nail both, not just one.

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I like how he compares it to the 16 bit vs 32 bit wars back in the 90s (aka the stone age) when the differences between the XBO and PS4 are much more meaningful. A 120% difference in memory bandwidth is a pretty big difference and can affect how devs approach them.

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@Zoomer30

I think chariots are a pretty good analogy.

Imagine there are two chariots. One is 10% faster and one is 10% more comfortable. I'd choose the more comfortable one, because who cares how fast a chariot can go -- it's still going to take you three years to get anywhere, might as well get as cozy as possible. Only an idiot would take that and say that it proves that the speed difference between modern race cars doesn't matter.

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@FalconOfStorms @Zoomer30 Well I'd agree that a better console can make things look better and play better. But the difference has to be fairly extreme (Wii vs 360 for instance). I doubt any gap in modern consoles is significant enough.

BTW that analogy is terrible. You're comparing a vehicle for transport vs one for racing. If I am RACING chariots I go for the one that is 10% faster. If I am driving a racecar on a crosscountry trip I take the one that is more comfortable. The point is the expectations (what gamers want from their games) and power of the vehicle (or console) are relative to the time. They are no different now than then. The wider the gap in power the more obvious the difference in gaming experience is. But at a certain point its significance takes a backseat to game availability.

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@FalconOfStorms @cryofax @Zoomer30 That IS old lol. But seriously, the analogy makes no sense. And the difference in quality between consoles was just as significant then as now. Just as a chariot 10% faster is just as significant as a racecar 10% faster. It's all relative.

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@cryofax @FalconOfStorms @Zoomer30 The reason that chariots are an apt analogy is because both chariots, and the 8 bit consoles people are using as proof that specs don't matter, are from the latter half of the Pleistocene Epoch.

Yes, gaming was different then -- all games looked ridiculous and better specs didn't make that single pixel moving around the screen look any better.

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Yet another damage control statement from MS. This system has flopped in the worst way it can. Execs are jumping ship and they get hundreds of thousands to stay. I just don't understand why choosing the PS4 is just the better option. For me the main reasons that I didn't play Ps3 were, lack of party chat, and constant updates shutting down the online service. Now they have fixed those problems.

There is going to be a difference in they way the games play and look. DDR5 is quite amazing. Sony is actually giving you a system that is next gen while the Xbox One is what the Xbox 360 should have been.

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@Chock-Block Go build a gaming PC Chock-Block and then get back to me DDR3 memory is what you get unless you want to pay more for RAM which is stupid because you can just add more to the system, both DDR3 and DDR5 have they're own advantages and disadvantages just like everything else in the world... And how exactly has the X-1 flopped? When It hasn't even been released yet? I like how you guys talk about memory because both systems have the same Processor which is what I care about...

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@jameson425 @Chock-Block Vain attempt at reasoning with the fanboys: #59,465

Having around 0% in preorder sales compared to your competition is a pretty big flop to start out with. Sure, it doesn't mean they won't ever sell a lot of Xbox Ones, but it's still a flop at the moment. Just like the Wii U is a flop but might not always be. If you think of the game consoles like race horses, Playstation 4 is stomping it's hoof on the ground, raring to go, and Xbox One fell over inside the gate. Does that mean the Xbox horse won't get up and run a good race when the pistol goes off? No, but it still fell over, and it's still looking grim for team Xbox.

And do you not see what's hilarious about your 'reasoning'? You mock people who aren't on board with the Xbox One for touting the better RAM of the PS4, and then you do the same thing you looked down on them for, except with the processor. Why does RAM not matter but the processor does?

Because you have decided to be fiercely loyal to a corporation, and the corporation you've chosen to have a fierce faith in has put out a product with slower (and a smaller amount after you factor in the operating system) RAM. So you say RAM doesn't matter. Just like Microsoft shockingly says that specs don't matter when they have weaker specs. It's really pretty transparent and a little bit pathetic.

In the end, people who are buying the Xbox One are people who love Xbox games so much that they don't care about anything else -- they're buying the entire 500 dollar console just for Gears, or Halo, or sports games. But they can't just come out and say that, they have to defend every indefensible aspect of the product they chose.

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@FalconOfStorms @jameson425 @Chock-Block How does the Xbox have 0% pre-orders compared to the PS4? They are both sold out of they're respective First Day consoles on Amazon and have a secondary version now for sale. And that doesn't include the other reatilers Gamestop, Walmart, ETC. And How am I vain? by giving my gamer-score I was making a point of the other guy giving his Gamer-score and asking why it mattered in the conversation we had above.

And I'm not mocking everyone whom isn't on board with the X-1, both consoles are the same fucking thing with minor differences, aside from exclusive games, meaning they have the same fucking processor so i'm not too worried. In fact I love the Playstaion consoles, and I especially love the PS3 with the God Of War, and Uncharted series which In my opinion I happen to think are better games than Halo in they're own ways, just like Gears of War is better in its own way than God Of War and Uncharted aside from different genres of games since you brought up those series I thought in only fair to bring in 2 Playstation series.

Go buy a gaming pc and buy the best top of line everything for it and then buy 16GB of 2000 MHz Kingston or Corsair or G-Skillz Ram and get DDR3 and DDR5 on two separate computers and then show me the difference because its not much...

And while the PS4 does have GAIKAI which is fucking awesome and a little upset Microsoft doesn't have something similar. Microsoft on the other hand does have The Cloud which while its nothing more than a bunch of hardware or a big server farm in a couple of Microsoft owned warehouses it does have the advantage of adding more power and content to games without the need of extra hardware if you know what your doing, and when it comes to Xbox Live Microsoft does a pretty good job for me to trust them with the new Cloud gaming feature.

I mean say what you want about Xbox Live, but the Playstation Network has been hacked and down for maintenance than John Holmes has fucked Men and Woman so that is one of my main reasons for sticking with Microsoft, and lastly you have no idea what your talking about when it comes to the Xbox One, The ONLY reason I'm buying an X-1 is for Halo and Gears of War? and Sports games? really? Your a blind PlayStation Fan-Boy or just naive enough to really think that about Xbox consumers. I just want to game man I don't hate on what Platform you game on unless its an Tablet or Phone...

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@Chock-Block There won't be much at all between the two systems. PS4 is more powerful but not so much as to make a noticeable difference.

If you can honestly say the X1 is not next gen you probably work for Nintendo who also have absolutely no clue whatsoever what next gen is.

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@blueinheaven @Chock-Block Finally someone whom uses reason, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. The guy really does not get the fact that there really is no difference between DDR3 and DDR5 memory, he's just ignorant enough to believe it...

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@jameson425 @blueinheaven @Chock-Block Apart from anything else devs will for the most part knock out exactly the same experience on both systems which they can do now because they're almost identical.

Next gen will be all about exclusives, not hardware.

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@Chock-Block If you are already decided and your getting a PS4 then why are you here on this page ? just wondering

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@VicariousWolf88 @Chock-Block This coming from the guy who said "Xbox One for the win as always ^_^"?

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@FalconOfStorms Is that a problem ? :)

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@VicariousWolf88 @Chock-Block because he can

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PS4 > Xbox One

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When I was a young'n, and I got a Playstation for Christmas, you should have seen my face. I had a fit, I was so pissed off. What the hell is a Playstation? Some sort of plastic jungle gym for toddlers? Oh, it's a game console? That's fine and all but it can't be very good, it's not even made by Nintendo, Sega, or even Atari -- I've never even heard of these Sony people. It must be crap. Alright, I guess I'll try this "Twisted Metal" game just to make you happy...

How many other tykes were royally pissed when their tech-savvy parents bought them this powerful gaming console? This is the single biggest issue overlooked by the "powerful consoles always lose" crowd: the fact that the most powerful console has often been a newcomer that leaves people scratching their heads. What they ignore is what happens in the generation after the new brand is introduced; the successor to the more powerful console wins. People got to know the new company, they tried out the games, they appreciated the experience that the extra power gave them, so they switched sides when the next generation hit. It happened with Xbox as well -- an unknown Microsoft console? I'll stick with Sony and Nintendo, thank you -- real game consoles! But while the original Xbox didn't win in its own generation, the experience that this little powerhouse provided paved the way for the 360 to sell like hotcakes. Playing Morrowind on the Xbox opened me up to getting a 360.

Of course, they squandered it by releasing the 360 in a broken state, but that's a completely different story. The point is that better specs really have mattered in terms of sales, although this is often trumped by brand recognition.

But suppose for a moment that having better specs really is an anti-sales curse as people seem to be implying. What do the sales mean for your own enjoyment? Unless it leaves the online multiplayer games empty and you love online multiplayer; nothing. Due in part to superior specs, the original Playstation was more fun to play -- the advanced technology even allowed them to take Final Fantasy away from Nintendo.. Due in part to superior specs, the original Xbox was more fun to play -- for example, making it the only console you could play Morrowind on.

Sales aside, more often than not, the system with superior specs offers you as a gamer a better gaming experience. And that's what matters, and that's part of the reason I'm going to go with the PS4.


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Xbox one for the win like always ^_^


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Edited By Master_Vexov

Yep, peeps telling us what we want is funny.

For my systems (console/pc), I can live without the exclusives, its power i can't.

Of course, most dev's won't really let the PS4 outshine the X-one, the games will be built so they have no advantage over another, PC does get many pluses sometimes when a console games makes it to PC.
But i don't care for many of MS's BS policies, "ELEVEN" xbox 360's i went through (they lasted from 2hrs to 2weeks avg. Only 1 worked like it should, but I traded it up for an elite) its stupid ads, nor for its many softwares i couldn't give a crap about as a PC owner and Gamer.

BTW, that 2hr life for one of my 360's (the first) was on xmas, was great to pull it out and bust some gears of war with my bro... then have the system melt or break down on its ass.

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So, the rats are leaving the sinking XBOX ship...

Don Mattrick just left for Zynga.

That's some funny sh!t. This would have been his first console release at MS. Didn't even make it to retail! Oh Don...

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I only have a 360 and one thing ive hated about xbox live is how many damn ads are on the dashboard for a PAID service. Just one of many reasons me and my Live friends pre ordered ps4s; plus we HATE Kinect. Here's another reason NOT to buy xbox one: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125523-Xbox-One-Designed-With-Advertising-in-Mind

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he's right you are all just to arrogant and simple minded to see that he is right.

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