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Pride clouds vision for Japanese devs, says Inafune

Mega Man, Dead Rising designer Keiji Inafune claims pride keeping Japanese outfits from learning from Western studios.

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Mega Man and Dead Rising designer Keiji Inafune has opened up on the state of the Japanese game industry. Speaking to IGN, the former Capcom developer said Japanese studios are beginning to become aware of the "problem," but still have a ways to go.

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"I hope Japanese game developers are breaking through the stagnation," Inafune said. "However, the reality isn't as good as I want it to be. I see they’re starting to be aware of the problem and that they have to do something. They know they have to learn more from Western games and create games that'll sell more in the western market. However, they don’t know what to do or how to do it."

One of the main reasons Japanese developers are coming up short, Inafune argued, is due to pride.

"Even worse, their pride gets in the way, preventing them from learning from overseas developers. As a result, they end up staying in the domestic market rather than going global," he said.

Inafune said he appreciates the Western media's interest in and concern about the health of the Japanese game industry. He noted that continuing to ask "Is Japan's game industry OK?" helps hammer home the point that something may be amiss.

"So we much appreciate the fact that the world is concerned, however, [Japanese developers] still don’t really get it," he said. "Some developers are saying [the] Japanese game industry is still doing fine, but that's wishful thinking. Words are not enough, we must act and prove it. Unless at least a few titles from Japan make it to the top 10 games of the year worldwide, we won’t prove it."

Inafune has long been vocal about the state of Japanese game development. He left Capcom in 2010 and founded new companies Intercept and Comcept the next year. His latest game is PlayStation Vita title Soul Sacrifice, which launches April 30.

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i vote western and eastern developers get together and swap ideas, because they both have the solutions to eachother's greatest flaws

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@sortajan That's a pretty good insight into the issue.

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If there's anything I learned from playing Ace Combat Assault Horizon, it's that I don't like 'western influence' in Japanese games.

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@LesserAngel because that's the only way in which western influence in japanese games can manifest itself

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i don't want japan to stop being japan , i just down want their games to feel like something i was playing in the 1990's

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If people dont get that this whole issue is about money and economics then I cant help you....it has to do with what will sella and what doesnt in a bad economy. And unfortunately that kills the artistry and quality of games when its strictly about economics....

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@IanNottinghamX And that is exactly what is hurting sales....

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Capcom had a very tough generation simply because they wanted this western type of action in their games.... Go watch Dark void for example or Bionic Commando... Then compare it with Okami... I mean come on... Wtf this guy wants ? Capcom to become Activision and start developing FPS only?

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@AzatiS @IanNottinghamX I don't understand your hate-on for Dark Void. It's a fun game...

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Now it does matter which team or company made the game under Capcom umbrella?

So you think Dark void is a japanese influenced game and not a western one ? Well ok then , i think otherwise though

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@AzatiS @OuroborosChoked Did you actually play the game? Not the demo... the full game. Tell me how many other games let you fly around on a jetpack one moment, then let you land and do cover-based shooting... NONE. And it wasn't Japanese developed anyway. Capcom PUBLISHED it... they didn't make it.

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@OuroborosChoked d

Im not against people like you , that actually like it. But is NOT a traditional japanese game. Its a western influence game which did bad...both execution and sales.. So this guy wants MORE of this westernization in Japanese games? Well i dont!

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he speaks the truth. But Japan can still make some good games (though more rarely). Look at Dark Souls, Vanquish, Bayonetta, Mario Galaxy, etc. They have certain styles that even us westerners appreciate. Yes there are some obvious struggles going on in the industry but that also counts for western studios. Lucasarts and THQ are gone, EA is doing miserably. The industry as a whole needs to re-evaluate its business ethics as well as development process imo.

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"Even worse, their pride gets in the way, preventing them from learning from overseas developers. As a result, they end up staying in the domestic market rather than going global,"

Mr Keiji you need to reconsider...

You tried before to westernize your games... Plenty of examples...

Resident evil 5 - Resident evil 6 - Dead Rising - RE operation Racoon city - Lost Planet - DMC -

Steel Batalion - Bionic Commando - Dark Void - ...

How much more of west influence you want i dont get it ... YOU FAILED in most of cases simply because you were desperatly trying to copy-->paste this western formula...

The only successful games you had were .. 90% , sequels of TRUE JAPANESE titles like Street fighter 4 etc etc ... Okami was EPIC but no .. you want more west in your games right ?

This gen Capcom became CRAPCOM and thats because of this westernization got obsessed with. Have a nice mister...

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@AzatiS I always thought Street Fighter was rather western, it just doesn't fit into the usual Japanese mold - apart from the bad voice overs of course :)

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@AzatiS Lost Planet, DmC and Dead Rising are all great games. You're out of your goddamned mind.

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@GreggD DMC was ok , but not DMC 3+4 , NOT lost planet and NOT dead rising.. period.

All of these games were western type of games and they failed ... Score wise AND sales wise for a reason. You like them? Fine but thats not the Capcom i once knew. Period

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This specific franchise maybe , because of the zombienation , like RE5 and even RE6 did.. But that doesnt make them awesome games.. not even close. Bye bye pal and im not crazy , i wish i were.

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@AzatiS @GreggD I'm done. Keep being crazy, you're really good at it.

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@AzatiS Also, that series has sold immensely well.

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@GreggD Japanese ?!! come on bro.. come on now!

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@AzatiS @GreggD It was heavily influenced and created out of classic Japanese design. Just because you think it was crap does not make it less Japanese.

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@GreggDNo you cant , because this game was a crap and boring game . Period !! Nothing like the oldschool creepy RE games which were a genre on their own.

It was a random , massive , Action based zombie massacre... Nothing to wow about ...If you did , fine , most people didnt.

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@AzatiS @GreggD If you think that the first Dead Rising is anything close to a Western game, I'm not sure I can help you.

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IMO Japanese games are fine. Their only problem in my opinion is those awfully effeminate male characters. Just this can turn off a lot of potential players. I don't think that Japanese developers get how much those effeminate characters are hated in the west.

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@nurnberg So you prefer to have over-the-top muscle caracter with no brain ?

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@Coco_pierrot @nurnberg How about a normal looking, strong and athletic man who doesn't look like he takes 10kgs of steroids weekly, and who doesn't dress like a girl and wear makeup? You know, there is a middle ground.

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@nurnberg Well, I don't know which Japanease game you played but the one that I played the hero didn't look like a girl, wure they had very stylish hair and very wierd fashion ( just think of Tidus in FF10 )but Japanease male in the 15-30 do look like that a lot ... stylish hair with wierd colors is quite normal. while in the USA a strong and athleticguy is more of a fantasy than a reality .. it doesn't really represent USA which has more obese than anywhere in the world.

But yeah a middle ground would be good for sure.

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@nurnberg It's is decidedly weird to have a hermaphroditic character as your hero. It's such a Japanese thing though, it used to confuse me horribly as a kid!

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The ignorance that western developers only make CoD type of games is just that - ignorance. Racing, action/adventure, sports, and puzzle games are also big genres here which the hypocrites also fail to mention.

Oh, and like most innovations in the game industry - westerners developed the archaic turn based RPG (see Commodore 64) that has the japanese industry in a rut. Maybe their lack of innovation is their problem.

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@Sevenizz Well they don't only produce COD but they sure do produce a shit load of FPS game ... even their most respected RPG use the FPS point of view ... so at one point too many games you only see your gun !!! Any FPS like COD, then you have games like Borderland, Fallout, Skyrim, Bioshock and Farcry that are all FPS with somekind of level up mechanics ... it is still a game where you only see your gun ...and shoot stuff in the face.

And those game represent the best selling thing in the USA ...

Turn based game are fine the way they are ! I play Ni No Kuni right know and it is turn based and I like it a lot. But I think it doesn,t work well with the fast pace life style the American are right now which also show up a lot in their game.

Saddly it is a cultural thing and now that their more and more gamer in the USA and the USA are really good at exporting their culture ... here we are. Japanease developper will maybe stay in their own country and we will be stuck with FPS ( shooter, RPG and adventure ) and few sport game release each years.

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If they want to sell more games worldwide, then release the games worldwide. I am still waiting on that Tales of Vesperia for my PS3. I have the 360 version, but I want that extra content. How about that Phoenix Wright Professor Layton crossover. It is Japans fault for not releasing these games overseas.

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@exedeath I'm still pissed about not getting Gundam 0081, the Gihren's Greed games would be awesome too. I'm just gonna have to import them eventually.

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"They know they have to learn more from Western games and create games that'll sell more in the western market."

so what are you saying inafune? you want them to start making the following: sports games, FPS, 3PS, grand theft auto like games, uncharted like games, GodOW like games and stuff like that? if that's the case, I'll have no future games to buy for pretty much all I buy comes from japan and I'm someone who was born in the caribbean and currently lives in the "west" at least the continent part of the west.

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@danusty He's not asking them to entirely change the genre of games they make. I think he means that they need to adapt certain Western techniques and styles to make their games more appealing to Western gamers. I like to think of it as being more intuitive and creative within the realm of the game.

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@MegaPyroFlame @danusty I think that's what capcom is doing and I'm not liking it.

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What I like about japanese games is they tend to have powerful attacks, say like compare Dragon's Dogma attacks to Gothic 4 attacks and you can easily tell Dragon's Dogma attacks feels more better.

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to me i think that japanese developers just afraid of losing money. They do not want to risk! since the rise of CODs and western's FPS in general..... the majority of japanese developers are too scared to even try to beat the sales. They stop before they even try!

Resident Operation let western make it, Silent Hill Downpour let western make it, DMC let western make it and the art is just too damn funny its laughable! japanese seems like they allow themselves to rely on western which losing their own pride, their own strength..... just all for money and sales.

Originality and creativity supose to come first not money. If they gonna let western to do their games they could of let Naughty Dog or Guerrilla or Epic to do it and not some studio that are so bad at art like DMC, Elder Scrolls, Home Front.

Wheres my Shinobi? wheres my Omnimusha? wheres my God Hand? wheres my Suikoden?

Japanese developers seems like they chose to gave up on global market.


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@AskanTale I am pretty sure the Japanese developers have lost money. Square Enix just lost 100 million last year.

I love Japanese RPGs from the 90s and early 2000s. The problem is that they have the same hackneyed stories. On top of that, the characters (in the FF games as late) are just flat out annoying.

I wish they would bring back Suikoden. 4, 5 and tactics were not that great but I loved 1, 2 and 3.

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I disagree. Western games are popular because they appeal to us in the west and we are the bigger market. More sales means more investments which made our industry very strong and practically better than the Eastern industry. But that doesn't mean this is exactly a 'good' tendency. We're dangerously close to a 1983 style videogame crash.

I mean, most Western AAA titles nowadays are bloated multi-million dollar productions that need over 5 million copies to pay for themselves while the Eastern devs are usually doing much leaner stuff like Dragons Dogma or Revengeance that were successful even with less than 2 million sold each.

With climbing dev costs, in about 5 years, anything that's not CoD level will be a loss and we'll be flooded in a even deeper wave of military shooters. The industry will not be able to sustain itself and it may happen that AAA titles will be relegated to 2 or 3 big games a year or even disappear altogether.

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No, no, no and no. The entire reason Japanese games have been in decline during this generation is BECAUSE Japanese developers are trying to copy Western developers. We don't need more of that! Just look at what happened to one of the biggest players around: Final Fantasy. They decided that they needed to be faster, more action-packed, more like Call of Duty (I still don't understand this notion), and what do we have now? You can't even call these games Final Fantasy any more; they've been ruined and the fans are running for the hills.

Japanese developers enjoyed huge notoriety in previous generations because they were doing things their own way, and doing it well. That is what Hideo Kojima continues to do until this day--his way, and screw anybody who thinks its weird--and his games continue to become more and more popular all the time. Japan needs people with creative vision, and those who hone their native craft; not copycats. Call of Duty is massively popular because it does its own thing and does it well. No one has succeeded in copying that because if people want Call of Duty, they'll buy freaking Call of Duty!! If I want games like Ni no Kuni or Catherine, I'm not going to find that in the West.

I look to Japan for something decidedly different from Western games, and they've stopped providing that. Surprise, surprise, their business has suffered as a result.

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@AlwaysRunning no no no no no no. you are so dead wrong. The only japaense games that have had any success in the past 5 years are the ones that did "emulate" western games. Look at capcom. Dragon Dogma? Japane used to be king of the RPG. Now 99% of their RPGs are garbage compared to american RPGS. Dark Souls and Dragon Dogma are the only ones worth a damn in the last 8 years!!!! J

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@AlwaysRunning OK, so a game where you can have it play for you and when you do play it it is basically scrolling through a Microsoft Excell spreadsheet is supposed to be like Call of Duty how may I ask? Besides, either way you look at it Final Fantasy always had shitty combat, you where just there for the story.

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@AlwaysRunning I used to like FF combat. But it's one of these things that are a product of it's time. ATB doesn't work in a modern design of gameplay -- but for the late 90s, early 2000s it was pretty good.

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@danusty @GasparNolasco @AlwaysRunning It's interesting to note that someone did release an RPG within the last month that is played in an Excel spreadsheet. It's called Arena.Xlsm. So, yes, that does work.

Quibbling over picking items from a list in FF is silly. It was never about the action; it was about the strategy. The story was the main show, but the dynamic battle system kept you(fans) interested. There is nothing dynamic about FFXIII. "Auto Battle" is without a doubt the stupidest thing to ever come out of Final Fantasy, and playing FFXIII manually isn't much fun, either.

They tried to wedge in things that didn't fit, from games that are completely unrelated to FF, to lure in Western audiences who aren't interested in JRPGs. Those people still aren't interested in JRPGs. And a whole lot of Final Fantasy fans are no longer interested in the series, as well. The company has been bleeding money, and they just sacked their CEO. Fat lot of good their "Westernizing" did.

Meanwhile, people are salivating at the chance to play their slightly shinier decade-old update of Final "Excel" X.

FFXIII is what corporate executives tell people they want. FFX, and games like it, are what the people really want.

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@GasparNolasco @AlwaysRunning I love the system used in FFX

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Pride? Or is it an Asian form of racism, their mindset being that Americans are very, very lazy? Either way, this kind of competition is good for consumers.

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If you ask me the japans games devs need to ball up man. They all keep trying to play it safe most of the JRPG's are on handhelds for lower production cost! They need to learn somthing for Ni No Kuni: wraith of the white witch and man up that game was awesome and still very japanese. They just need to take a chance like wtf persona 5 on the goddamn 3ds its bullshit!

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i can't believe that anybody takes pride in FFXIII.

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It was still a good game, just not a great Final Fantasy game.

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@TheLeftHandDoom Well, it's not a great game, but it sold about 9 million copies, they can take pride in that.

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