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Microsoft E3 2017: Xbox One X Is A Great Value At $500, Exec Says

"That value proposition is great."

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One of the biggest talking points around the Xbox One X this week has been its $500 price. That's higher than some, including a number of analysts, thought it would be. It is the most powerful console ever made, and Microsoft never backed away from saying it would have a premium price point, but still, some are feeling sticker shock given it's $100 more than PS4 Pro. Now, Xbox engineering lead Mike Ybarra has weighed in, saying $500 is an excellent value.

Speaking to TechRadar, Ybarra the Xbox ecosystem is all about giving people options. "We're all about choice," he said, pointing to the Xbox One S as a more than capable console that is available at a relatively affordable price point, starting at $250 right now.

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The Xbox One X, meanwhile, is aimed at the "high-end gamer," and it has a price point that reflects that. "If you're a high-end gamer and you want the absolute best experience possible there's no place you'll find a better performance to price ratio than Xbox One X," he said. "True 4K, all the features you saw in the briefing at $499, that value proposition is great."

Further up the ladder in terms of performance--and price--is the PC market. "If you're on PC you're going to be about $1500 or so, so that's another area," Ybarra said. "We love Windows gaming. A lot of our games, almost 20 of them in the show, are going to be on Windows too."

"So that's the point that I love to say, 'What kind of gamer are you?' and let you decide what's best for you."

You can read the full interview here at TechRadar.

GameSpot spoke with Microsoft this week about the console's $500 price point, and the company believes no other console out there is doing what Xbox One X does. For lots more on Xbox One X, check out GameSpot's breakdown of the Xbox One X specs in this video and our roundup of everything you need to know about the console.

The Xbox One X launches on November 7. In other news, Microsoft has released a video in which an Xbox engineer assembles the console piece by piece--it's pretty cool to watch. For more on Xbox at E3 this year, check out GameSpot's roundup of all the company's big news. You can also read GameSpot's breakdown of the company's highs, lows, and biggest games.

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It would cost well over double the consoles asking price to build a PC capable of the what the XoX is supposedly capable of. A video card alone capable of 4k/60 with medium settings is already nearly the cost of the console.

Here is a modest solution:

GPU GTX 1060-6GB"4.4TFLOPS ($300), Case ($40), motherboard ($120), power supply ($50), X1 gamepad ($50), UHD Bluray drive ($130) Win10 OS ($110), 8GB DDR4 Memory-Speed? ($60), AMD Ryzan chip Cores?Frequency? ($220), 1TB Hard Drive ($70). Add all the components together and it may be roughly around 6TFLOPS considering some overclocking here and there. If you want mini itx, expect to pay more for a few items.

We're at $1150! Did I forget anything? You can't use conventional PC hardware either because the SoC is custom and the system board is also custom with GDDR5 memory not available at retail all with a custom tuned configuration specific for the DX12 api. You would in fact have to have better hardware than I even quoted to get bit for bit performance as the XoX is tuned a certain way because the operating frequencies of the gpu, memory and CPU will not match retail stuff.

So yeah, $500 is a steal and you bitches need to pipe down. I am not a huge fan of Microsoft but reality is reality and to obtain 4k or near 4k 30 or 60 you MUST have some horsepower and there is no way to build a PC for less than I just stated to get the same performance. I'm sure some know it all could spend a few more minutes hunting down more and cheaper hardware options but I believe the point has been made.

There is a supreme level of convenience getting PC quality graphics on a self contained and whisper quiet device with it's own built in U.I. If you prefer disks then there's that luxury too, a luxury you are not afforded on PC as once you enter your game code the game is lost forever, never to be retrieved for trade or selling nor gifting. Digital content has no value and is not an asset unlike disc based gaming, which luckily consoles still provide and that is a value in it's own right.

On the other hand, the long argument for building a PC in place of a console can still be had at around $400/$500 if 1080p is your deal.

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@khanwashere: And they said the One X is on part with a 1070. Talk about a bargain.

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@rasterror: It's not on par with a 1070.

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@fedor: That's what Digital Foundry said. And some companies said that it's the equivalent of 4K on high settings.

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@rasterror: Only in Forza. I haven't seen anyone but df say that and it was only that game.

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@rasterror: The 1070 is about 6TFLOPS on it's own but no one can run games on a video card alone. But to factor in the entirety of the hardware involved to add up to 6TFLOPS you must drop the performance of the GPU and add in the CPU and Memory. But on another point, the cost of the 1070 and the X1 gamepad would be equal to the XoX, you just don't have the means to do anything without all the other hardware.

Yes, the XoX is a bargain. I just wish the dumbasses out there would see it but with little education that will never happen.

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@khanwashere: Informative stuff - and no fanboy shit either way. Thanks for the info.

And imo you're right - I also prefer the disks (re-sale value), the lower entry cost and the ease-of-use that comes only with a console, but of course realise that, for a premium of anything between an extra £300 and £2000, I can choose to future-proof myself, open myself up to many more (plus many more old) games, and get better / vastly better graphics / audio by going the pc route.

People just need to make their choice and stop fucking battering each other with those choices.

Peace.

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@sellingthings: i dont want to have used parts in my xbone x later this year ?

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@sellingthings: its a long time since i played "flipper"(pinball). ?

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@sellingthings: My wife was the first one in me.

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@khanwashere: I guess the only things I would question then are: (a) is the product really going to function as intended?, and (b) do you wonder what the BOM cost on this thing is, and how much they're losing per sale?

It may be a value proposition on paper...and they may have demo'ed a few things. But, let's see how this all shakes out when the rubber hits the road in November. If MS actually starts posting sales numbers again (which I highly doubt), then we'll know that they're "winning" again. Because as soon as they started bragging about number of aggregate minutes online, then you knew they were trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. It's like boasting about the number of bullets fired in COD:AW; it doesn't mean anything substantial.

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@khanwashere: Don't forget about the liquid cooled heat sink.

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@vilified_signals: You don't need it. Only reason XoX has it is because it's shoved in a tiny case with little airflow.

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@creepywelps: it is shoved in a "tiny" case because if it was shoved into a "bigger" case, it would be called a VCR. Remember OG Xbox One?

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@khanwashere: You could use a RX 580 instead of a 1060 for about $60 cheaper. Same thing thats in the XoX, little bit stronger and can be overclocked. Also don't need that expensive of a cpu, a ryzen 5 1400 is about $160 and far stronger than whats in the XoX. You can find windows keys for $50, and motherboards for $60, don't need anything special since you won't use it in this build. One TB HDD is only about $55 too.

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@creepywelps: Oh wow, that dropped the entire build down to around $500.... :/

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@khanwashere: I wasn't trying to make $500, just simply showing that it could be cheaper than what you're showing.

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@creepywelps: And you get a system that's backwards compatible with 30 years of games, not just what Microsoft deigns to port.

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@Thanatos2k: Of course, just another one of the great things about not being locked in a walled garden.

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@creepywelps: good job, miller time?

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@khanwashere: you know it, my dude.

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$500 is what I expected Microsoft to sell it for - and that's at least $100 more than I'd be willing to spend for a small upgrade. What's worse is that there's only a handful of games that even justify 4K anyway, of the 42 games shown for the Xbox the overwhelming majority were indies that are graphically underwhelming to begin with. Games like Minecraft won't justify upgrading to 4K for me

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@northArrow:

totally agree

but Scorpio isn't aimed at the majority.

ps4 pro sells at about 1 in 5 ratio compared to ps4, Microsoft seem happy with those numbers, as are Sony.

it's weird

but we appear to have a choice in console specs all of a sudden.

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Performance to Price? Errrr so your saying 4k 60fps for almost every game? HAHAHAHAHA I'LL BET MY SYSTEM COULD OUTPERFORM IT!

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@illage2: Costwise? No doubt. Only a fucking idiot would think that a £450 console will outperform every bloody pc.

Jesus! What is the matter with people???

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@illage2: he never said that! Where did you got that from?

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they did a bad job explaining what xbox 1x is im still not sure what improvments it has compared to the x1 and they are already talking about not supporting original xbox backwards compatability,i dont think i will be buying this

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@alaannn: The info is out there on plenty of gaming sites. Also, they literally just announced OG Xbox BC, if they can't get the licenses for the music and other things, or the developer/publisher doesn't give the ok for BC, what are they supposed to do? Put the game on BC and get sued for not having the rights to publish the game?

They are simply saying it won't be possible for all OG Xbox games to be BC due to licensing and legal issues, same reason some 360 games won't ever become BC. If it were up to MS they would absolutely do every game.

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@b00me: So not all OG games will play on Xbox One? What was the point of announcing that if they were going to leave that part out.

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@b00me: the info is there but id like too see a splitscreen demo between x1 and xbox 1x too see the improvments,he said they wont be doing alot of original xbox games it doesnt seem like they will be supporting it

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@alaannn: So you want to the difference between 4k graphics vs 900/1080p? Open google and search, many sites should be able to give you something for this

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@alaannn: They've done a great job explaining everything, and they're not talking about not supporting og Xbox backward compatibility.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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@gordonfreeman: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-e3-2017-xbox-one-backwards-compatibility/1100-6450964/ they have said they wont be supporting original xbox games similar to how they are supporting the 360 backwards compatability on x1

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@alaannn: what Phil said in the Giant Bomb interview recently is that you wont see og xbox games in numbers of x360 games. It will be a smaller number of games

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@alaannn: What they're saying is because these games are so old, a lot of the publishers and developers no longer exist. As a result of this it will be extremely hard for them to get rights to some games to bring them to the platform.

They have to have permission from whoever owns/controls these games to get them onto the Xbox One platform.

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Yea but what's the appeal of One X ? Will be get better visuals than PS4 Pro counterpart ? 4k is gimmick IMO. We'd rather see more visual fidelity as well as 60 fps at 1080p. And I'm not talking about cosmetic visual improvements either. It has to take full advantage of One X and make it visually stand out against its competitors. If they can do that, then people would consider getting One X. But that's not gonna happen if One X is getting held back by older generation of consoles aka PS4 / Xbone.

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@speed45823: Also 4k 60fps at £500 is never going to happen. At that price its more realistic to target 1080p/1440p 60fps.

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@illage2: Indeed. Even on PC with a GTX 1080 / 1080TI, 4K / 60 fps is a stretch in some games and those cards themselves costs quite a bit, nevermind the extra cost of getting a comparable CPU to boot.

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@speed45823: 4k is a gimmick? Hmm.. I'll have to walk away from this one so no one gets hurt.

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@khanwashere: It is an odd thing to say but I am beginning to like you.

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@speed45823: Well they will look better if they utilize the consoles power to the limit. If they don't then the game might look the same as the inferior console and is not worth tossing $500 smackers at the console.

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@angrycreep: Exactly. Currently, what we're looking at is either people have a gaming rig and / or people already own a Xbone. For those who already owns a gaming PC, they don't have to bother with One X. And those who owns Xbone, if games look the same on Xbone as it does on One X, they're not really gonna spend another 500 bucks on One X just so they can get 60 fps and a bump in resolution. These has to be tangible and significant visual difference between games running on Xbone vs One X so people can be enticed to get a One X.

Sure those who owns a laptop or doesn't yet own a console, One X is a viable option at 500 bucks...but then again, if there's no visual difference between Xbone and One X, combined with lack of first party games, those potential customers could just get a PS4 at 400 bucks or cheaper since visually all those third party games will look the same as One X AND PS4 have some really great exclusives.

Bottom line is, in order for One X to be successful and really pick off the ground, Microsoft will have to corroborate with devs and make games look significantly better against not just the original Xbone but PS4 / PS4 Pro as well instead of wasting their resources on this 4K hubbub for which you have to buy an expensive 4k TV anyways to truly see a resolution difference which most people aren't that interested in.

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But there are a lot of others places where i will find more and better games. That's what an exec won't tell you.

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4K is overrated. 2K is just as nice and you can use much lower system specs.

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If they wanted to upstage the PS4 Pro than they should have released it at the same price point as the PS4 Pro to compete with it directly so that Sony would have no edge. The lack of quality first party game releases is another sticking point for me. I'll probably give it a year to see if it's worth the upgrade. I already own the original Xbox One and Xbox One S.

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@spo562: The lost will be too great for $400 and that's why they went with $500. They are already selling it at a lost with $500. How can anyone complaint $500 is a great deal and you getting a lot for those $500.

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@angrycreep: I agree with what you're saying, but I'm just saying if they really want to be competitive they have to make some sacrifices to get back in the game.

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@angrycreep: I have to agree. As I don't own a Xbox this gen I'll pick up the x1x to compliment my PS4, seems like a no brainer at the price point if you don't own one or aren't upgrading. Then I can pick and choose what 3rd party titles I want having all the bells and whistles if one machine is going to look/perform better than the other

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I think its a fair price as well to be honest. Compare it to Ps4 Pro and you will see that what Xbox one X has to offer is worth $500. Cant believe people would complain about that. Most people thought it would be $600+ and now that its cheaper then what they predicted they still complain. Sad

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@jako998: completely fair. A PC that can do 4k and 60fps is about 1k give or take

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