Making the Next Smash Bros. a Smashing Success

@LoganWesker You obviously didn't play enough SSB2 if you hate it that much. Why did you hate it? If you think it's because of the stage hazards, just don't play on the stages that don't have instant KO stage hazards. There's more than plenty. And then there are the stages that don't have hazards at all.

And what was so bad about Marvel Vs. Capcom?

@LoganWesker I grew up with SSB1 and I cringe everytime I go back and play it. Melee simply outclassed it in every single way possible. I only play Brawl these days, but Melee is still better IMO. But both are far superior to the clunky, over simplified gameplay of SSB1.

@kkthesonicfan ¿What use is to have more characters if you only need one? ¿Items for what? ¿Graphics? They look nice if you look far away in a small tube TV, but they are super aliased, more than in Melee.Let me tell you why Melee is better (also, thanks for pointing out some of my arguments! it is faster indeed!).In Melee you can do about everything, a game that has potential even to this day is a good game.Enough limits and enough freedom, you never feel like you have found everything, yet you feel good when you can do something that seemed impossible to do. You have speed, the freedom of mobility, the capacity to act accordingly, diverse metagame, a lot of advanced techniques, a competitive scene, streaming, hype, technical demanding so your fingers will never get bored, enough stages to go crazy because two platforms are enough to create meta games and overcome match ups, a lot of characters, a lot of possibilities.You can overcome campers with smart tactics and reflecting projectiles with your own shield using a strict timing, Directional Influence, the game has it all.The difference between a pro and a newbie is that a pro knows how to move, how to attack and how to think fast and lateral, helps to deal with real life issues, like working under pressure.Brawl: Tripping, treacherous game mechanics, lack of mobility, chess-like general mentality, a balance that becomes a detriment for the entire roster, sluggish, projectiles get advantage over slower characters, MetaKnight, stages get more limited due to more hazardous stages so you can only use three stages competitively (not counting counterpicks), overall dumbed down veteran characters, no combos, horrible Directional Influence, focused to people who want everything "easy" and no skill involved.The only difference between a pro and a newbie is that a pro uses MetaKnight and button mash B more often than a newbie.You see, there are a lot more points involved, I don't really care about "story mode", it's something you are going to beat only once. ¿Clones? You didn't play Melee at all, seemingly.

@kkthesonicfan I'm not going to be angry, I'm just trying to state a few points. I hope you don't regard me as some angry fan so please hear me out.

"The only differences were that Melee was faster, you could wave dash, and air comboing was easy because dodging in the air sucked butt."

The fact that Melee was faster and that you could do stuff like L-Canceling and Wave Dashing changed a lot on how the game was played and created a massive gap between gameplay in Melee and gameplay in Brawl. So they're not small differences. It's true that air comboing is easier than Brawl, but that was not caused by the disability to air dodge more than once in the air. It was because hits had more hitstun, making combos easy to make. The fact that in Brawl there is so little hitstun makes it next to impossible to make combos work together. Only oh so many moves will work with each other, and those kind of restrictions made it hard for competitive players. I could go on, but I guess I'm just babbling. I'm sure you get the point. From a competitors aspect, Melee had so much depth. Brawl, all you really have to do his hit the opponent one hit at a time until they get enough damage to kill, especially since recovering in Brawl is so easy.

"To me Brawl was better, more characters, more items, better graphics, easy to pick up, but you could still grow into a pro and you can see the difference between a pro and a newbie."

More characters doesn't necessarily mean better game, but I see your point in the aspect it was good. More items was good if you wanted to have fun, but for people who play competitively, Melee or Brawl, no one cared about items. It had better graphics, that's for sure. It was easy to pick up... but it was too easy. I will say that the huge difference between pro and noob isn't important, because that happens in every game, good or bad, easy or hard.

"Story mode, bosses, it was all around better. The only thing they need to do is add more characters, stages, base the Story mode stages on actual levels in Nintendo games, take of slipping, and stop making clones."

Story Mode was better. But some people are angry because some of the physics changes and character development were also slightly (in case of the physics, almost largely) based on the Story Mode. It was entertaining, I'll give you that. The Story Mode stages... well most of them actually were based on real Nintendo games. And in order to be flexible, I don't think they should restrict them to just Nintendo based worlds. Nintendo never made direct clones, which is why I'm okay with them. I could come up with a whole list of differences, literally, between Fox and any other Starfox character, Toon Link and Young Link, Link and Toon Link/Young Link, Pichu and Pikachu, Captain Falcon and Ganondorf, Marth and Roy, and so on and so forth. They're different qualities and affects of their moves and physical shape make them really their own unique character. I will admit I was disappointed when all they did to make Ganondorf was to clone CF when they could've done much more, especially since they were from different series. But honestly I can't think of different movesets Fox would have from Falco.

From a casual perspective (for someone who just plays it with friends and for fun, nothing more), the game was really fun

From a competitive perspective (for someone who wants to play the game as competitive as Street Fighter), the game was a disappointment.

I honestly hope to solve problems in the future, Nintendo will create the option to switch from Melee to Brawl physics so it will satisfy everybody.

Hopefully you could see why people who played Melee (who largely played the game competitively) did not think Brawl was the better game.

@kkthesonicfan The competitive scene of Melee is far deeper than that of Brawl, which is why Many people prefer Melee. The people who share the opinion are generally competitive players,, though it's not always the case. Before I got into competitive Melee, I just preferred Melee because it was faster paced, and I didn't like how floaty everybody in Brawl was. Now I just like Melee better because It's just a better game in terms of competitive play.

@kkthesonicfan I agree, denying that the series didn't get better with each release is dwelling too much in the past. I played Melee WAY more than Brawl but Brawl is the better game. The addition of Assist Trophies, Final Smashes and more interactive/moving pieces on maps made it so much better for me.

@alex_uuush In Melee, some characters were just straight out terrible. Examples include Kirby, Bowser, and Mewtwo (with the exception of players like Taj). The character balance was screwed up.

In Brawl, character balancing was even more screwed up. Not only were there bad characters, there was Meta Knight. If Meta Knight wasn't in the game, Brawl would be okay.

@alex_uuush No. Brawl is no Starcraft 2. When people say the characters are not balanced in Brawl, it's true and not simply whining about something like "Protoss OP" or other nonsense.

@Sethbeastalan If you walk into a Melee tournament and use Ganondorf, you'll get respect. Of course, meaning you are actually good with him.

@Sethbeastalan And Tager is pretty badass in BBCS: EX =)

@Alianjaro he mentioned Daisy as an alt costume. he's dead to me

@OrNiGhTZ ¿What? ¡NO! Smash 4 needs MOAR Landmasters.

as for Lucas and Ness , they both had the same specials , I get their both form the same game but it was still bad they had some moves mirrored off each other , Change that also , hrm now for 3rd party characters , think they should be fun / serious types ; Tails and knuckles should be on there , whatever happened to Ty the tasmanian tiger , he should be added CRASH bandicoot also ..snake wasn't a bad guest star , it was funny to have him appear but this could be even better , for example "Captain N" , (anyone remember that classic cartoon from the early '90's) , he was pretty cool , bring him back

@Demonjoe93 Oh yeah this too, hate having to only play Time with 2 minutes when I waited 30 minutes to join, and hopefully this Nintendo network thing I heard about will take away dumb friend codes, so we could add people we fight and add friends easy. Also the lag, ughhhhhhhh the lag.....

@AndCarlsen Stop it with the 3rd party characters. It's a Nintendo crossover. They only put Sonic because he fit well with the rest of the cast and he was a widely demanded character. Snake was put in their because Konami wanted to expand Snake's influence into modern day so they could convince more people to play MGS games (and it worked). Those were only exceptions. They won't start whoring the whole cast with 3rd party characters. That's like putting the whole Justice League in a Marvel vs. Capcom game.

Stop. And don't get your hopes up. By asking for more 3rd party characters, you will ruin what makes this game so great.

@AndCarlsen I don't see any of those 3rd party characters making the cut.

@AndCarlsen and more sonic characters