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Analysts' double-take on Take-Two earnings

Industry watchers unveil expectations of BioShock sales, downloadable GTAIV content release date, and new installments of Max Payne and Red Dead Revolver.

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Yesterday after the end of the trading day, Take-Two Interactive released its quarterly financial report. The publisher touted the success of BioShock, lessened losses compared to the prior year, and expectations of a bright future that included its 2K Sports label turning a profit for the first time next year.

Investors seemed to like what they were hearing, as today the stock has been trading up about 6 percent from yesterday's closing price of $15.75. However, a handful of analysts expressed reservations about the numbers. Wedbush Morgan Securities' Michael Pachter questioned why the company left its sales guidance unchanged despite the performance of BioShock, Manhunt 2's arrival on the last day of the company's fiscal year (October 31), and other good news from management regarding its sports label and profitable distribution subsidiary Jack of All Games.

"We are hard pressed to explain how the company will manage to generate an expected $112 million in pro forma operating losses during fiscal year 2007," Pachter told investors in a note today. "The implication is that the rest of Take-Two's business is a black hole, with losses of $112 million on approximately $400 million in other revenue."

Nollenberger Capital Markets analyst Todd Greenwald was similarly dubious of Take-Two's math, but his note to investors suggest a different reason for the flat earnings guidance. "Despite the addition of Manhunt 2 and the encouraging release of Bioshock in August, management did not raise guidance for the October quarter, leaving it at $275 to $300 million," Greenwald wrote. "We continue to believe that Bioshock's financial success will be somewhat limited by the hardcore scope of the game."

Pachter also noted that Take-Two has reclassified revenue related to the release of its Xbox 360 Grand Theft Auto IV episodic content as "long term," which he said implies a release sometime in the fourth quarter (August through October) of Take-Two's fiscal 2008. In his own note, Pacific Crest Securities' Evan Wilson wrote that he expected the Grand Theft Auto IV episodic content to arrive in the company's third quarter (May through July) of fiscal 2008.

Wilson also delved a little deeper into BioShock, following up on Take-Two's acknowledgement that the game has shipped 1.5 million copies already.

"We forecast 3 million units in Q4 and 4 million through the January quarter," Wilson wrote, adding, "Given BioShock's enormous initial success, Take-Two will clearly release it on other platforms and create sequels if the market makes sense and if quality would not be compromised. Regardless, we expect a sequel to be released toward the end of fiscal 2009 at the earliest."

Wilson, Pachter, and UBS Investment Research analyst Ben Schachter all had a couple other expectations for fiscal 2009, with each predicting Take-Two to release new installments of Red Dead Revolver and Max Payne during the time frame. While Take-Two didn't announce those games during its conference call yesterday, it has brought the two franchises up regularly as examples of its stable of owned intellectual properties, and CEO Ben Feder said they would return sooner or later.

"In addition to Grand Theft Auto, our roster of $1 million plus wholly-owned brands includes BioShock, Civilization, Midnight Club, Max Payne, Red Dead Revolver, Manhunt and Bully," Feder said. "We fully intend to leverage these products, which are on development cycles that should complement and counterbalance each other."

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Max Pain 3!!!! Sweet dude. I can't wait, I played the first two more then any other games in my life. Hope they keep the dark storylines, some of the best writing in games.....

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I would totally be into a Max Payne 3...

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Max Payne but I thought those guys were still busy with Alan Wake?

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w00t Max Payne and Red Ded Revolver!!!

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*raises eyebrow*

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OMG MAX PAYNE LIVES!!!

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Max payne 2 wasn't that great. I'm not even sure why, it just didn't feel inspired like the first one did. And now it's going to be even harder to make the game standout after people have played other slo-mo heavy games like Stranglehold and FEAR.

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TIME TO BUY!!! lol

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.....oh, and a sequel to red dead revolver sounds awesome, im thinking elder scrolls oblivion in the west....sounds AWESOME to me....give it a HBO's Deadwood style and everything

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well all the xbox fanboys can give up on nay-saying that bioshock isnt ps3 bound (not that it matters to me.....already have 360 version)

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First "Mafia II", now "Max Payne 3"... Can this get any better?

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qiwihead "First of all, 4 million for BioShock seems very optimistic. " As great as the game is, I'm in total agreement with you. It's second week sales dropped 50 percent, and I don't see it sustaining sales of 150k per week through the holiday season, not with so many other big brand titles about to explode onto the scene. 2.5 million is probably more likely, and that would still be great sales.

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max payne's mechanics for gameplay are stale now and they better be changed if they want to compete in this generation. but take two is on a role now with gta4 and midnight club coming soon as well as bioshock for ps3 which will please all the naysayers for once

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I HAVE BEN WATING FOR MAX PAYNE 3 ALMOST AS LONG AS KUNG POW 2!!!!!!

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i hope it all works out in the end. i love take two!

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Remedy (the only guys who should do a proper Max Payne sequel) are working on Alan Wake. I doubt we'll be reveling in Max's crazy dreams anytime soon.

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First of all, 4 million for BioShock seems very optimistic. And second, the quote in the final paragraph looks like it's incorrect. He probably said "our roster of 1 million-sellers" not "$1 million." What would that even mean, anyway? That they each sold $1 million at retail, or that they each cost $1 million? Neither is remotely true, so it must be a misquote.

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Been too long since the last Max Payne imo.

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New Max Payne! Rejoyce!

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YES! MAX PAYNE IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE GAMES EVER! I AM SO GLAD TO SEE A SEQUEL! YES!

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Bully as a brand.... So what, can we expect a sequel? Because Rockstar already stated that they wouldn't make a sequel.... But I would love to see one though! However, even if they don't make a sequel, I can still look forward to Bully: Scholarship Edition.

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Max Payne 3= F'ing great.

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Great Max Payne 3 and bully 2

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awesome! A new max payne and red dead revolver! sign me up!

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I don't see Bioshock selling 4 million that quickly. I mean sure the games great and all but there are other games releasing that will slow down Bioshock..mostly the release of Halo 3 and the steal that is The Orange Box. I call that a steal due to it being 5 games in 1 all for the price of one game. Don't forget stuff like Mass Effect and Assassins Creed releasing to also slow down the sales of Bioshock.

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A new Max Payne would be Epic!

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I'd like a new Max Payne. Closest thing to a decent Die Hard game.

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i hope take two does good. as soon as i get some credit, i'm gonna invest in take two!

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I hope they release a new Red Dead Revolver. That game was underrated in my opinion.

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Gaw, this company is just falling apart. They cut employees, lose Manhunt 2, and now this? Let me run that company.... I can do better than the monkeys that are currently. Stop throwing office parties and start watching your books.

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"4 million units of Bioshock through January??? Take it easy analysts...its not like Bioshock is going to appear in that many stockings." I agree with you to a certain extent - but Bioshock is not XBOX360 exclusive which may give it an edge on the GoW numbers until GoW comes out on PC.

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Wow good number of BioShock's are going to be out there

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4 million units of Bioshock through January??? Take it easy analysts...its not like Bioshock is going to appear in that many stockings. I mean Gears of War has only sold just over that in 10 months but expecting that many in 4-5 months for Bioshock sounds over-the-top. And considering FPS games usually sell better than RPG (yes it could be argued Bioshock is a mix).

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take 2, please take moneys from me.

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it'll be interesting to see what systems Max Payne is released on hopefully (and likely) on 360

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I would love another Max Payne game.

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no let Bioshock stay exclusive!!! nah jp I know that what some people want though...but everyone should have a peice a sweet cake too

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Please make Max Payne 3 longer then the previous versions. I don't want to beat it is 2 days.

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As of now it stil says that max payne 3 is cancled, but this gives me great hope to see another installment. I hope, because max payne had the best story out of any game

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Oh, please, PLEASE let a new Max Payne game be in the works. Best news I've heard all year if it's true.

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Actually I'm not allowed to comment on this, against my NDA.

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Holy crap! Max Payne came to the Game Boy Advance?

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Alan Wake? It was briefly mentioned at E3 this year, so as far as I know, it's still in development.

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Yes Max Payne finally !!!!

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Max Payne 2 is one of my favourite games of all time...it was so deep. I hope MP3 continues that staple. Edit: I completely forgot that Alan Wake existed. Where's the news on that game? I was really looking forward tot hat when it was first shown 2 years ago!

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A new Max Payne perhaps.... I loved the gameplay of the first two :)

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