Reality Check - What if the PS4 or Xbox One Fail?

Cam investigates if competition between the PS4 and Xbox One is good for us, the humble consumer.

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My only comment is this: Just because we may be biologically programmed to take pleasure in the pain of others doesn't make it any more acceptable. Pedophiles are biologically wired to be attracted to children. Yet it is expected and demanded by society that they suppress these urges, no matter the cost.

I know that's an extreme example, but I will go ahead and make a blanket statement: it's never good to take pleasure in another's misfortune. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by it. The ability to overcome unhealthy biological compulsions is what typifies higher intelligence. It's largely what separates us from the lower species.

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@shantd Well spoken

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@shantd - so, some people are allegedly biologically wired to be attracted to the same gender. but we seem to be more and more ok with that in our society. some people are allegedly biologically wired to go through surgeries to become the opposite gender of which we were born. but that is also more and more acceptable.

at the end of the day, as long as that "biological wiring" can be carried out without infringing on the rights of others which obviously pedophilia does. we seem more or less fully accepting of it in this society.

right or wrong, that just seems to be how things work out. and taking a internal sense of pleasure if someone you dislike gets hurt does not infringe on anyone's rights. so i could argue, that it is acceptable.

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@shantd any man would tip his hat to you sir

i just did

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@shantd I take exception with you and your support of the paedophile community you defend as if it is a natural function "biologically wired" indeed. Kiddie fiddler.

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So that's what the TF2 taunt means! I never knew and for some reason never looked it up. Oh Valve and your smart and witty humour.

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@Daniel Green Xbox one also comes with a headset.

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@Cameron Robinson - The assumption that it isn't wrong because it is biologically present is a bit faulty. That study that you referenced I was made aware of also through NPR, and taking pleasure in seeing abusive acts perpetrated on dissimilar people when described in less euphemistic language is, in that very study, racism. They were talking about how they enjoyed people who were mean to babies that didn't look like them. Racism isn't moral because it may be a practical defense mechanism during our most tribal beginnings.

It was, however, a very good article that I am disappointed to find on no other gaming websites to enlighten us about the foolishness of the "console wars."

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@ericmbacon - Spot on. I wish I'd seen your post first, could've spared me the trouble of posting almost exactly the same argument several posts above.
Excellent post mate.

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And that's why all kids are dicks!

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Great episode, Cam. I have been wanting Xbone to fail this go-round, can't lie. I just don't like the way MS has been doing things and targeting to casual gamers. It gives me nerd rage.

Schadenfreude seems like a more technical way of explaining how comedy and tragedy go hand-in-hand. :p

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Why did Nintendo concede next gen? No one talks about them now. People only talk about Sony and MS as being the major players. Everyone's writing Nintendo off.

The Wii was underpowered. Wii U was an opportunity for a clean slate, to rectify their lack of competitiveness in hardware, and instead they chose to be a generation behind for a second time running, and give the big two less competition.

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@lostn Plus Nintendo don't like playing nicely with 3rd parties. Sure they'll come to an agreement, but look at EA and the Wii U as well as Ubisoft.

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@Katie Lazzelle-Baily Isn't this what next gen is all about? Better tech? Next gen is not giving us better game mechanics, it's giving us better graphics. So, I don't think it's absurd to squabble about.

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@jakesnakeel It is absurd to squabble about. New consoles absolutely should, and undoubtedly will give us new game mechanics. Updated graphics are just the most obvious aspect of a new console generation. They can be nice, but gameplay is what really matters. If all you're interested in is graphics, then why not just watch a bunch of Pixar movies?

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Great video, the games will matter, like it has always been.

You shouldnt just leave Nintendo out of this, they were major factors and whether you consider it or not, Wii U IS next gen. And frankly because of Xbox One and PS4 just coming out, Wii U has arguably the best next gen christmas line-up, especially considering Knack was dissapointing and Super Mario 3D World just keeps getting better despite its underwhelming showing at E3.

All in all, its great to have every bit of gaming, or atleast in utility and everything in the industry has been vital for now, and the coming future.

I have a PC, and getting a Wii U and Xbone. I get the best of each instead of hanging to just one console and thinks the industry should only lean to them.

The industry together needs to evolve together as one as they each push the boundaries of gaming to new heights and potential.

So what WILL happen IF (aka , most likely not) Xbone and PS4 fail? The industry will learn, and try again, together. They pushed together with the help of Nintendo to help back in the 80's crash and it will happen again IF anything horrible were to happen.

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Just because something's biological doesn't mean that it's good or the right thing to do.

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What if the PS4 or Xbox One fail? Good.

What if Microsoft, Valve and Sony fail? Even better.

Three horrible companies that just make sh**. Apple >>> all.

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@Diegoctba That might be the stupidest comment I have ever read considering that Apple has very little gaming, very little interest in gaming compared to those other companies, and is the most restrictive in terms of operating system sandbox and choice. You want proof a monopoly is a bad thing in gaming take a look at what EA has done with the Madden franchise and consider where the game would be if it was competing with a 2k version of professional football. If 2k could build football as well as their basketball franchise then EA would be fighting to strive higher every single year.

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@Diegoctba Umm? Kill yoself.

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Nintendo still quietly dominates

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@halo1399 Totally agree! I asked all twelve people that bought a WiiU and they think it's great!

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@Djlampton @halo1399 what you did there.. I see.

To bad 3DS still dominates the handheld market. O wait silly me thats Nintendo.

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@RPG_Fan_I_Am @Djlampton @halo1399 Those emulators are actually amazing. You're just not properly equipped. You can buy a controller for your phone. I must apologize for not knowing that when you said one thing what you actually meant was something else. That is completely my fault. I guess you're right. Between the PS Vita and the 3DS, the 3DS has sold much better. Quite the accomplishment. Again, bully for Nintendo. For the record, though, whether you like it or not, cell phones are in the same category as handhelds. It's a documented fact. Common knowledge, really.

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@Djlampton @RPG_Fan_I_Am @halo1399 Those emulators are all crap. I've used the. Buttons are better then a touch screen any day. Secondly when I said handheld market I meant the gaming handheld market. Not the electronic handheld market. I mean if thats the case, I can argue the PC dominates the tablet market because more people own PC's then tablets. It's two different markets. But you already knew this,

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@RPG_Fan_I_Am @Djlampton @halo1399 I have nes, snes, n64, and gameboy advance emulators on my phone. I got them all for free. that's irrelevant in regards to my point, however. My point is that Nintendo isn't dominating anything. You can argue quality all you want, but that won't ever change facts.

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@Djlampton @RPG_Fan_I_Am @halo1399 I mean, sure, people play games on cell phones. But I swear I still can't get those pesky 3DS exclusives on my Galaxy S4..... Also the 3DS and Vita are way better for gaming then my phone will ever be. I can't play a shooter, A true plat-former thats not on rails of some kind. I mean temple runs fun and all but wears the fun in something that never progresses like Mario games do, Couldn't play Zelda on my phone. But I got Angry birds.... Loads of fun right there....

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@RPG_Fan_I_Am @Djlampton @halo1399 Well bully for Nintendo. Although, far more people play games on their cell phones, so Nintendo doesn't dominate the handheld market. Unless of course you were referring to the 12 and under demographic. Were you?

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I'm still waiting for something to really shake up the industry. I don't know what that is, but I get the feeling it's coming in the next 4-5 years.


No, I'm not talking about the Steam Machine, though it does sound promising for casual PC gamers.

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I personally enjoy each console (including handheld machines, Nintendo systems, etc) and PC gaming, so if one of them failed, I would be quite upset.

Competition within any market allows the consumer to have a larger voice, or at least that's how I see it. If one company completely dominated the market, they would not care if the majority of their player-base was upset because there wouldn't be anywhere else to run. Having choices is one of the best feelings in the world as a consumer, and the console market is no different.

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@soaring1phoenix perfectly said. And competition breeds innovation. We all win...

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that third console sneaking in is Steam machine

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more puppets...i like puppets

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I really liked this episode. I was pondering the same thing while I chose my side of the console race. Wondering what would happen if competition was no longer there. I think it's direly important to have this in the entertainment industry(at least gaming industry). In my opinion, these major gaming companies(as a whole) create products purely for the sake of money. So, if there was no risk of losing customers(money) to the competition, the companies would no doubt cut corners and take advantage of the power and monopoly in some shape or form. Competition, in this instance creates motivation in the form of quality to keep their customers from joining the other side. Great episode Cam :)

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Haters Gonna Hate

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@christianrho Dude, that`s such a tiresome `cliche`. Here`s a new one for you: `Bitches gonna bitch about haters hating. Use it instead.

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Platform that will support Shenmue 3 and Half life 3 wins!

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I dont think Neither system will fail

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@xfiles2099 Double negative, Cletus.

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I have no idea what he talking about.

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that study of the babies showing approval of harm in others proves that we all have original sin. Science is miles behind what is already known and is just catching up.

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@GameGuy642003 Wrong, science is disproving a lot more of what is already `known`. Do some actual research and you`ll find the bible has been, and is still been misinterpreted, except for actual scientific scholars that avoid any type of bias and just focus on empirical evidence.

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Babies are racist?!

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@dannyodwyer We are all racists. It is just that we have been taught to hide it and suppress it.

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@dannyodwyer Super racist. Whenever I see one I always cross to the other side of the street.

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@StHapns247 @dannyodwyer That was baby racist, dude. All the hail the mighty baby race!

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@StHapns247 @dannyodwyer as opposed to kicking the baby in the head? Remember south Park got started kicking a baby in the head. Literally first scene they ever did. First scene they kicked a baby in the head. That was their complete claim to fame and to this day i still remember the words"Kick The Baby"

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@StHapns247 @dannyodwyer That's low, man. Just low.

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wow, not one mention of the wii u in that entire video? like it or not, the wii u is competition to the new consoles (a weak one at the moment). me, i'm supporting ps4, but at the least your competition should be acknowledged. and no, i don't think it is biological to feel a sense of joy in other people's pain. only when your own life is miserable is it more likely for someone to be spiteful and hurtful towards others (out of envy for the other person). people who are happy themselves are less likely to act in that manner and will instead feel empathy towards people suffering.

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@Xristophoros You missed the point. Nature vs. Nurture will always be a controversial issue. But, the baby experiment certainly favors the Nature argument( genetically programmed) instead of the Nurture one (life experience). Each actually influences the other in ways we re just starting to unravel.

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