I think Nintendo is releasing Smash Bros for the 3DS (& Wii U) in 2014. This should become a very popular game. Nintendo will possibly release a few more popular games before moving on to the 3DS successor. I'm guessing the 3DS successor will arrive no earlier than 2015.
Utahraptor_'s forum posts
I hope Nintendo drops the 3D feature on the 3DS successor. I think it's a headache.
I would like a 3DS successor with 720p 60 fps on a 7-inch screen & dual circle-pads. It would lose portability, but the performance would be worth it for me. Debut in 2015 or 2016 w/ Tegra 5 or 6 depending on cost controls.
I don't like this new site design.
The information seems to be dispersed too much. I feel like I'm reading an outdated newspaper instead of a hi-tech, information-packed website.
At Target & Gamestop (probably Walmart, too)
$200 for PS3 Slim, 1 controller, Uncharted 1 & 2, and Infamous 1 & 2
I prefer the the old commenting system. Please change it back.
STATEMENT 1
UtahRaptor_:
Or you're either being an ATI fan or being naive . A few years ago, Nvidia seemed unstoppable for about a whole year while AMD/ATI was mired in financial problems. Before that, ATI was on top, then Nvidia. They go back and forth at each other. It's been this way for many years.
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STATEMENT 2
zipozal:
You make it sound as if the back and forth has happened naturally though, if you knew anything about the GPU market you would know this isn't the case, it's design decisions, etc. It's a completely artificial back and forth that derived from the decisions each company made.
Nvidia has made a huge gamble by attempting to primarily target the largely non-existant HPC market. The payoff could be huge, but gambles smaller than this one have put companies out of business and right now it looks like this was a bad gamble.
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STATEMENT 3
UtahRaptor_:
Or you are misreading my writings.
Implying or saying Nvidia will fail or never recover is like saying, during year 2004, Nintendo is finished when it comes to living-room gaming consoles, but Sony is unstoppable. Flash forward to 2006 to 2008: Nintendo is making good profits while Sony's PS3 is struggling to stay alive. Now it's 2009 and suddenly Sony's PS3 shows it has some hope, while Nintendo isn't looking unstoppable anymore. In addition, Nintendo reinvented the gaming industry. Nintendo proved you don't have to be cutting edge to sell electronics. Nintendo proved accessibility is as important as top-of-the-line performance.
You're making the same mistake at least many people made about Apple during the 1990s. According to most people, Apple had a questionable future during the 1990s, but now Apple seems to be on a solid foundation. Apple proved that people do want expensive, reliable, and stylish computers . I don't want an Apple (I think they are waaay overpriced and lack enough features), but there are enough loyal customers to keep Apple afloat for who knows how long.
Nvidia has many options, because Nvidia has many talented people in various fields and good networks in America and around the world. Check out this 2008 article on AMD/ATI's financial losses: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/AMD-Continues-Its-Struggles-Under-the-ATI-Burden/. Notice how AMD/ATI eventually found ways to survive and reestablish credibility.
I can't predict the future of a sophisticated company like Nvidia, but neither can anyone else. However, if you're going to make a bold prediction (i.e., Nvidia is finished or permanently stuck in an inferior position), then clearly explain with respectable data, otherwise I am going to think you're a corporate fan, naive, or dumb.
I think Nvidia is making unique or out-of-the-ordinary decisions, but this didn't kill or cripple Nintendo, Apple, or AMD. Creativity can either hurt or help, and I'm on the fence when it comes to Nvidia.
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STATEMENT 4
zipzal:
Funny, you accuse me of misreading then you clearly completely misinterpret what I said, I never said Nvidia is going out of business I just stated the facts of the situation.
Fact: Nvidia made a gamble building a product primarily targeted at a market that doesn't even exist yet.
Fact: that gamble is looking like a bad move right now.
Fact: companies have gone down from smaller gambles.
Again the gamble can still pay off huge, they could still write it off and move on, they could still regain focus on their big money maker (Gaming Computer Video Cards) which they chose to push back in terms of importance, but in this rapidly evolving business a half year delay can be fatal.
I'm not even saying Nvidia can completely go out of business, thats pretty much impossible, but they may very well get bought up just like ATI did.
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STATEMENT 5
Utahraptor_:
Here is your own statement: "You make it sound as if the back and forth has happened NATURALLY though, if you knew anything about the GPU market you would know this isn't the case, it's design decisions, etc. It's a completely ARTIFICIAL [emphasis added]. . . . "
I never said business cycles operated "naturally" and business cycles are not "artificial". This comparison strongly implies nature vs. mankind. When and where did I write that business cycles were completely controlled by mother nature and not at all by humans? Nowhere, which means you misread what I wrote.
Your other reply: "Nvidia has made a huge gamble by attempting to primarily target the largely nonexistent HPC market. The payoff could be huge, but gambles smaller than this one have put companies out of business and right now it looks like this was a bad gamble [bold font added]."
Here's the logic of your own statements:
(a) Nvidia's huge gamble = primarily targetting largely nonexistent HPC market = possibly huge payoff, but smaller gambles have destroyed companies
(b) Right now Nvidia's huge gamble looks bad
(a) + (b) = (c) Nvidia's big gamble is putting Nvidia out of business.
If you say that smaller gambles have put companies out of business, then say that Nvidia made a HUGE, BAD gamble, then you are strongly implying that Nvidia is going out of business.
I am just going off of what you wrote, because I am not psychic.
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STATEMENT 6
Zipozal:
You are not putting it in the context of the market Nvidia is in, yes other smaller companies have gone out of business, but that was because they were A Small and B in much different types of markets.
Nvidia can't go out of business, as I said the worst that can happen to them is they get bought out like ATI did.
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Like I said, I'm not psychic, so please improve your reading and writing skills. Here's the order and summary of our discussion (from earliest statements to newest statements):
(Statement 1) I say Nvidia and ATI are competitive corporations.
(2) You erroneously claim I talked about mother nature, then you strongly imply that Nvidia is going out of business.
(3) I inform you that you misread my writings (I did not previously talked about nature vs. mankind). I disagree with you about your strong implications that Nvidia is going out of business. I say Nvidia has an open-ended future.
(4) You claim I misunderstood you without backing up this claim on how I misunderstood your previous statement (Statement 2). You now say Nvidia is NOT going out of business.
(5) I explain how your statement (Statement #2) misunderstood my statement (Statement #1). I explain how your own writings (Statement #2) strongly implies Nvidia is going out of business.
(6) Now you accuse me of not understanding your poorly expressed writings because I don't understand the market Nvidia is in.
You're just confusing yourself. Be a big boy, admit your writing errors, and move on. Please work on your reading comprehension and writing-expression skills. You don't need to be a grammar Nazi, but stop expecting people to be psychic. I can't time travel, either. I reply to what you write in the order you write them.
I wish there was a moderator on this message board so I don't have to respond to people who lack proper reading and writing skills.
UtahRaptor_:
Or you're either being an ATI fan or being naive . A few years ago, Nvidia seemed unstoppable for about a whole year while AMD/ATI was mired in financial problems. Before that, ATI was on top, then Nvidia. They go back and forth at each other. It's been this way for many years.
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zipozal:
You make it sound as if the back and forth has happened naturally though, if you knew anything about the GPU market you would know this isn't the case, it's design decisions, etc. It's a completely artificial back and forth that derived from the decisions each company made.
Nvidia has made a huge gamble by attempting to primarily target the largely non-existant HPC market. The payoff could be huge, but gambles smaller than this one have put companies out of business and right now it looks like this was a bad gamble.
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UtahRaptor_:
Or you are misreading my writings.
Implying or saying Nvidia will fail or never recover is like saying, during year 2004, Nintendo is finished when it comes to living-room gaming consoles, but Sony is unstoppable. Flash forward to 2006 to 2008: Nintendo is making good profits while Sony's PS3 is struggling to stay alive. Now it's 2009 and suddenly Sony's PS3 shows it has some hope, while Nintendo isn't looking unstoppable anymore. In addition, Nintendo reinvented the gaming industry. Nintendo proved you don't have to be cutting edge to sell electronics. Nintendo proved accessibility is as important as top-of-the-line performance.
You're making the same mistake at least many people made about Apple during the 1990s. According to most people, Apple had a questionable future during the 1990s, but now Apple seems to be on a solid foundation. Apple proved that people do want expensive, reliable, and stylish computers . I don't want an Apple (I think they are waaay overpriced and lack enough features), but there are enough loyal customers to keep Apple afloat for who knows how long.
Nvidia has many options, because Nvidia has many talented people in various fields and good networks in America and around the world. Check out this 2008 article on AMD/ATI's financial losses: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/AMD-Continues-Its-Struggles-Under-the-ATI-Burden/. Notice how AMD/ATI eventually found ways to survive and reestablish credibility.
I can't predict the future of a sophisticated company like Nvidia, but neither can anyone else. However, if you're going to make a bold prediction (i.e., Nvidia is finished or permanently stuck in an inferior position), then clearly explain with respectable data, otherwise I am going to think you're a corporate fan, naive, or dumb.
I think Nvidia is making unique or out-of-the-ordinary decisions, but this didn't kill or cripple Nintendo, Apple, or AMD. Creativity can either hurt or help, and I'm on the fence when it comes to Nvidia.
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zipzal:
Funny, you accuse me of misreading then you clearly completely misinterpret what I said, I never said Nvidia is going out of business I just stated the facts of the situation.
Fact: Nvidia made a gamble building a product primarily targeted at a market that doesn't even exist yet.
Fact: that gamble is looking like a bad move right now.
Fact: companies have gone down from smaller gambles.
Again the gamble can still pay off huge, they could still write it off and move on, they could still regain focus on their big money maker (Gaming Computer Video Cards) which they chose to push back in terms of importance, but in this rapidly evolving business a half year delay can be fatal.
I'm not even saying Nvidia can completely go out of business, thats pretty much impossible, but they may very well get bought up just like ATI did.
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Utahraptor_:
Here is your own statement: "You make it sound as if the back and forth has happened NATURALLY though, if you knew anything about the GPU market you would know this isn't the case, it's design decisions, etc. It's a completely ARTIFICIAL [emphasis added]. . . . "
I never said business cycles operated "naturally" and business cycles are not "artificial". This comparison strongly implies nature vs. mankind. When and where did I write that business cycles were completely controlled by mother nature and not at all by humans? Nowhere, which means you misread what I wrote.
Your other reply: "Nvidia has made a huge gamble by attempting to primarily target the largely nonexistent HPC market. The payoff could be huge, but gambles smaller than this one have put companies out of business and right now it looks like this was a bad gamble [bold font added]."
Here's the logic of your own statements:
(a) Nvidia's huge gamble = primarily targetting largely nonexistent HPC market = possibly huge payoff, but smaller gambles have destroyed companies
(b) Right now Nvidia's huge gamble looks bad
(a) + (b) = (c) Nvidia's big gamble is putting Nvidia out of business.
If you say that smaller gambles have put companies out of business, then say that Nvidia made a HUGE, BAD gamble, then you are strongly implying that Nvidia is going out of business.
I am just going off of what you wrote, because I am not psychic.
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]DX 11 games (99%) wont be coming out until mid to late 2010 so , there isnt real need to rush.aura_enchanted
still there are a few out and nivida has got to respond to this to remain competitive or risk being lost in:
Nvidia has a gameplan. Google/Bing/Yahoo/Clusty/whatever for more information.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_bi_ge/us_nvidia_ahead_of_the_bell_1
http://xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20091105234423_Nvidia_to_Ramp_Up_Fermi_Graphics_Cards_Only_in_2010.html
Nvidia, AMD/ATI, and Intel are all diversifying their product lines, while trying to prevent each other from diversifying and trying to push each other out of the market.
Aint' that hard to understand, unless you're a corporate fan.
Both companies' futures look good to me.
Here are their 2009 3rd quarter results: Nvidia still doing well despite market downturn, and AMD and Its ATI still doing well despite long-standing financial problems.
[QUOTE="Utahraptor_"]
Or you're either being an ATI fan or being naive :P. A few years ago, Nvidia seemed unstoppable for about a whole year while AMD/ATI was mired in financial problems. Before that, ATI was on top, then Nvidia. They go back and forth at each other. It's been this way for many years.
zipozal
You make it sound as if the back and forth has happened naturally though, if you knew anything about the GPU market you would know this isn't the case, it's design decisions, etc. It's a completely artificial back and forth that derived from the decisions each company made.
Nvidia has made a huge gamble by attempting to primarily target the largely non-existant HPC market. The payoff could be huge, but gambles smaller than this one have put companies out of business and right now it looks like this was a bad gamble.
Or you are misreading my writings.
Implying or saying Nvidia will fail or never recover is like saying, during year 2004, Nintendo is finished when it comes to living-room gaming consoles, but Sony is unstoppable. Flash forward to 2006 to 2008: Nintendo is making good profits8) while Sony's PS3 is struggling to stay alive. Now it's 2009 and suddenly Sony's PS3 shows it has some hope, while Nintendo isn't looking unstoppable anymore. In addition, Nintendo reinvented the gaming industry. Nintendo proved you don't have to be cutting edge to sell electronics. Nintendo proved accessibility is as important as top-of-the-line performance.
You're making the same mistake at least many people made about Apple during the 1990s. According to most people, Apple had a questionable future during the 1990s, but now Apple seems to be on a solid foundation. Apple proved that people do want expensive, reliable, and stylish computers :P. I don't want an Apple (I think they are waaay overpriced and lack enough features), but there are enough loyal customers to keep Apple afloat for who knows how long.
Nvidia has many options, because Nvidia has many talented people in various fields and good networks in America and around the world. Check out this 2008 article on AMD/ATI's financial losses: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/AMD-Continues-Its-Struggles-Under-the-ATI-Burden/. Notice how AMD/ATI eventually found ways to survive and reestablish credibility.
I can't predict the future of a sophisticated company like Nvidia, but neither can anyone else. However, if you're going to make a bold prediction (i.e., Nvidia is finished or permanently stuck in an inferior position), then clearly explain with respectable data, otherwise I am going to think you're a corporate fan, naive, or dumb.
I think Nvidia is making unique or out-of-the-ordinary decisions, but this didn't kill or cripple Nintendo, Apple, or AMD. Creativity can either hurt or help, and I'm on the fence when it comes to Nvidia.
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