I think for Gamepass to be worth it, you have to change your habits, so you don't buy games, only really DLC and you play a lot of different games frequently.

For me, I don't buy games at full price, but I get them digitally on sales or CDKeys. If I like a game, I want to own it. And I don't play a lot of new games.

The only way Gamepass would make sense to me, is if there was a cheaper Xbox Cloud Gaming service. Then I'd be more likely to just jump into random games. But this is only for the most expensive tier. So not super into the idea right now.

They wouldn't be wrong. Console gamers get milked because they accept this type of BS over and over and over.

Typical post success console. Success seems to breed arrogance in the console industry.

I don't think this is going to work out like the PS2 or PS5. Nintendo are going over board with these prices.

I kind of want it to come out at £100, just as an experiment. Wanna see what will happen and how many fools buy it at that price.

Bro come on, that's not honest. The tedious console graphics arguments have been going on here since the 6th gen here in SWs, well probably before but that's when I joined (different name). There's nothing "new" console about it. It starts at the beginning of a gen and doesn't bloody end. You don't remember the endless PS3 vs Xbox 360 graphics debates? The bashing the Series X and S got/gets here? Then suddenly everyone's a hardware expert, the ins and outs of MS and Sony's decisions...

I don't mind that it's not spoken about on the PC, I usually make a point to not get involved.

And my philosophy on graphics hardware is a bit different. I've had four graphics cards and none of them high end. GTX 750Ti (amazing starter card at the time), GTX 1060 6G (amazing in general for the time), GTX 1650 (does a good job in my SFF PC) and an RX 7600. I'm not that into the high end cards, they cost way too much anyway.

"The games better deliver in reality." Yeah, delivering on expectations. :-S

PLEASE lol, as if we don't endure endless threads arguing the teraflop out of everything. Come on Laps, come on now. Especially considering that outside of quicker loading, there isn't a lot that's new this gen outside of better graphics. But still the endless Xbox Series X verses PS5 threads "my teraflops are better than your teraflops"."YEAH, FIVE FRAMES BETTER ON PS5".

I didn't say the standards are higher, I said PlayStation games are over hyped. Most other games have their place. And that place is not in the "the best game since sliced bread" category. PlayStation games tend to be hyped way too much.

If you gave me a measured impression of Spider-Man for example, my expectations are measured and I'm more likely to get into it. But when the expectation is too high... It's not about standards it's about expectations.

Btw, I'm that guy playing the ancient games.

How can you rest your case there? Like console gamers don't also get wet over the latest hardware. Also that's not what I mean. I meant the logo. PS logo adds extra excitement points for games, like it magically makes them better than they are.

To me, games are generally all potentially as good as each other, I've never played a PS game that was magically better than anything else I've played. I'll give them credit for graphics though.

Spider-Man is over hyped though. As usual PS gamers were like "WOW THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER". Than I like many other played it on the PC and were like "this is it?". It's the PS phenomenon. It's fairly common with a lot of PS games. They hype expectation WAY past reality.

PS hype sells. The PS5 sold out with no games at launch. People "needed" it, they didn't know why. But that aspect doesn't translate to the PC. PC gamers don't see the PS symbol and wet themselves. The games better deliver in reality.

Not really. In theory you could say best of both on PlayStation. But that's running on the false assumption that ALL PlayStation games are appealing to everyone. They're just not. It's actually perfectly viable to just be an Xbox gamer.

PlayStation exclusives are not so essential, everyone is missing out if they don't have a PlayStation. It's just subjective.

I already find it difficult getting into current gen gaming. And I find PlayStation games no more interesting than anything else.

The fanboy mentality is that PlayStation games are the best thing since slice bread. The problem is, then an outsider plays them expecting a 10 to match the hype because "WOW, PlayStation FANS SAID IT'S THE BEST, AMAZING", and because of the expectation from the hype, the games feel like a 7.

In reality, there's so many games now, it just doesn't matter where you play that much. Xbox, PC, PS, it's fine.

GT7 might have been a good business move for the pc, there a sim market there. If there’s one Sony game which should have gone over, that was probably it.

I’m not thinking of the initial sales but growing a presence in that market.