Complacent attitudes towards violence like the above poster are exactly what Spec Ops was criticizing. Densitization to violence. Battlefield 4 "not having a serious story" is not an excuse to portray violence so callously. That's the point Yager Interactive was trying to make with Spec Ops. 

I mean sure i'll still buy and play Battlefield 4 but let's be real, Yager Int. was totally right about the problem with mass-production action shooters like Battlefield. Doesn't necessarily mean we can't play them anymore, it just means we need to change the way we go about presenting narrative in these games. Personally I don't see why Battlefield is even has a narrative. A story in any of these western made shooting games is usually just going to be tough-guy appeasement towards the dominant customer base IE: rich white westerners. 

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You know, there are some cases where adding "no offense" to the end of a post doesn't really negate the offense contained within said post.

Genetic_Code

It also reminds me of the phrase "double standard". The Bible, Quran, Etc are all teeming with character attacks and mindless tirades against differing religions. Yet when brought up, Fundamentalists side step the issue and claim that those quotes are being "misinterpreted".

He is Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton.

To end oppression by the state there must be revolutionaries. And the state rarely just gives up control, so being a revolutionary is rarely pretty.

Insane00

He's them except for the part where they actually had a post-Britain plan. They also had the intention of actively carrying the responsibility of setting up a new government.

Armchair psychiatry turn on! black_cat19

You're pathetic, all you've done is flame me (and everyone else who doesn't agree with you, for that matter) for liking the movie and agreeing with the main character,

So flaming counts as me disagreeing with you right? You're a staunch supporter of that freedom of speech right thar. Get this, I think V for Vendetta is crap. I think the main character is a sicko and the only reason he's so popular is because he's full of nerd wank Unlike you, I actually structured some arguments to represent my point of view. I'd ask you to "deal with it". But you'd probably think I was personally attacking you. You're so willing to pull the victim routine after all. Which certainly tells us a lot about you.

and try to make it look as though flaming is a valid, reasoned arguement... I've got nothing more to say to you.

Because it's "flaming" to criticize. You're so good at following your own ideology!

*snip irrelevant fanfiction drivel* black_cat19

I'm amazed. Not only do you pretty much shut your brain off to accusations and criticism of the ideals of your personal totem, you even put together absurd side stories (authored by you of course!) so you can find some kind of way to make what you KNOW is a bad story, make sense! Even though you have nothing from the source itself to support any of your claims, you persist that i'm misrepresenting you. I can't get enough.

I'm still laughing so hard from your theory of a post collapse world. A world where everyone will magically come together around the campfire to vote for their new super benevolent leader. Human nature has of course shown this to happen every time a government experiences a violent and sudden collapse!

No I don't. Oppression should be fought, a totalitarian regime should be overthrown, and when the enemy is ruthless and powerful there's no other way to fight it. That kind of fire can only be fought with more fire, and if you overthrow the regime in the end, the casualties will have been worth it. It's not just mindless killing.black_cat19

Nice attempt to change the topic. We call that a "red herring". Strike 1.

Well it's kinda like this... :roll:

Nice attempt to quote me out of context. We call that a "strawman". Strike 2.

Did you even listen to everything V said in the movie?

You take this so personally. Could it be that you never confronted the fact that the media totem you personally associate with might just be a deranged lunatic? And you can't seem to form a genuine argument in his defense that doesn't consist of his own circular logic?

He was fighting for freedom, he was fighting to uphold an ideal and to overthrow a tyrant, he was fighting to give people back the hope and freedom that had been stolen from them.

Still more baseless claims.

The movie V for Vendetta is not about brainless action, it's about the power of ideas, V said it himself: "Underneath this mask there is not a man. Underneath this mask is an idea, and Ideas are bulletproof".

That's rich. You're best comeback is simply a useless quote from a stupid comic that does absolutely nothing to the argument. The circular logic. She is too much! Strike 3, yeeeer outa here.

He was definitely a hero. His actions were a little extreme, but his mission was to have vengeance for what was done to him AND single handedly overthrow a totalitarian regime in the process, there's just no other way when the enemy you face is so powerful and ruthless.black_cat19

More like "no other way when the enemy you face is as laughably stupid and short sighted as V is." V succeded due to act of writers. As usual.

Besides, he freed the people of england fromoppression,

Baseless assumption. He only brought the current government regime down.

he gave them something to believe in and made them see all they had lost by letting their government take complete control of their lives, just so they could feel "safe".

What he gave them to believe in was anarchy. An oppression of its own.

And he even planned to die in the end, leaving the newly freed country for it's people to rearrange however they saw fit, it didn't matter if he died, because the people didn't need a leader, they just needed an ideal, and he gave them one.

Too bad ideals don't put food in people's coolers, gas in their cars, and clothes on their backs.

So V was a hero, and I greatly admire him for what he did.

Which was kill.