I owe PC gamers an apology, seriously

I've been a console gamer my whole life. I've especially been happy with 4K at 60fps this new gen. I laughed at 1080p/2K gaming on PC. I laughed at monitors. I laughed at mouse and key. Then I gave PC gaming a try. I've owned a gaming PC for a month or so now. An AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, Radeon RX 6700XT, 32GB RAM, SSD. I got a monitor last night after watching many reviews, and decided to give the MSI MAG274QRF-QD (27 inch, IPS, 165hz, 1440p, 1ms response time) a try. It felt like the "sweet spot" I kept hearing about. Not too big, not too small of a screen, 2K (which looks like 4K at 27 inches to me), high frames but not super high. I couldn't bring myself to go with a smaller screen at 240hz/360hz 1080p, don't even know how far I could push this system in terms of hz. I absolutely love the 2K/165hz. It's a significant difference from 4K/60fps. TV's will not match the 1ms response time either, so that's something else I love.

No hate to my console brethren, but I just want to tell PC gamers, I'm sorry, I was wrong. The crazy thing? I sort of want to sell my Series X and PS5 and just get an even better PC. Weird feeling. CSGO and Valorant all play at max settings with 165hz steady the whole time and it's quite a difference than the 2021 Samsung 4K QLED TV that I love that I've been playing on. Halo Infinite is another story (poor PC optimization right now), and I'm gonna cap my fps at 60 on New World now because there's too many issues with frying peoples graphics cards but last night it was at running NW around 100fps-120fps. Just so, so different than a TV. I apologize for doubting the PC gaming community. Happy gaming to all!

Welcome to the club. The best part is you have only scratched the surface.

What kind of games do you like @nnoyinghusband?

Lol what game did you play at 4K/60fps this gen on console? Can’t even name one off the top of my head.

It isn't easy being MASTER RACE, but welcome to the club. Now go benchmarks.

I’d sell that PS5 as it is slightly worthless now compared to what you got. I’d keep the series X so you can hook it up in another room and play the same game on both. PS5 won’t let you share your game between both and will charge you insane $70 Sony tax.

Welcome to the good life.

😴

@Juub1990: we play 8k 60 games on PS5

@sheep99: I played GoW on my PS5 in 8k using YouTube app. Was a very fun game. I liked the story a lot.

Congrats on the new machine. I took the jump into pc gaming a few years ago after being in denial and it has been amazing. I use my PS consoles for exclusives and my pc for everything else. Hopefully Sony see's the money pc can generate and starts porting games to pc faster or maybe even doing day 1 releases like MS does.

Not many actually run at that, the ones that do are on low settings or some indy 2D shit. Usually it's a scaling 4k and usually the 60 fps has dips. And even then it has some low settings.

The rest of your post is correct PC annihilates consoles.

With raytracing and zero load times, I might add.

Congrats on even managing to get a GPU during this shortage. If you want to build up your PC game library quick and as cheap as possible I recommend you go to sites such as Fanatical, Humblebundle, Gamebillet, and GreenManGaming. They're sites that sell official Steam and Uplay keys. Of course make an Epic account so you can snag their weekly free games. If you have an Amazon Prime account link it to your Twitch account so you can get games and in game items every month. Amazon gave out Battlefield 1, 4 and 5 over the summer and are giving out Ghostrunner as one of their games this month.

I'll likely go back to PC gaming as my primary platform too, once I finally get around to upgrading my PC.

The problem is, the PC doesn't age as badly as it used to.

I have an i7 3770, 16 GB RAM and a 1060 6GB. And it's still good for literally anything but the very latest games and video editing, which I don't do. So it doesn't really feel right to upgrade right now. Especially with those high silicon costs.

It was a much more black and white decision in the past, with computers previous to 2010. Your CPU would feel like trash, you'd reach your expansion limits on RAM... But nothing feels like trash in my computer.

I'm wondering the same thing.

That doesn't really come up much anymore. Games aren't usually any more incomplete than console games now. They all use the internet as a crutch on all platforms. And I haven't really had significant OS issues on any OS, Windows 7 onwards.

Thank you as a PC gamer I accept your apology

Apparently in BassMan's mind, gamers can't change or adapt. At least I admitted I was wrong, probably something you don't do in your normal life.

@davillain- said:

@zerothehero said:

Thank you as a PC gamer I accept your apology

XD Pretty much.

Most of the times, console gamers don't like sudden change and that's okay, not everyone is perfect. I been a PC gamer since 2007 the day Crysis arrived but as far as console goes, I typically buy every platform but MS approach though means I don't need to buy an Xbox console ever again. I've always played Nintendo and Sony exclusive games and PC is my main gaming machine.

Anyone hating PC doesn't offend me, it's not for everyone but hating just for the sake of NOT trying PC at all really makes anyone look like a fool without experience first hand is the problem. At least you finally experience what gaming PC can offer and do for you, so kudos to you NNoyingHusband for trying out PC and welcome to the PC community🤘

It is funny to me that full grown ass adults are still discovering pc gaming. Y'all should know better.

We all gotta start somewhere right? I didn't discover how awesome PC gaming really is until much later into my gaming life.

I am especially talking in the last 5-7 years. Back in mid 2000's, there was a lot of issues with pc gaming still. But now, everything is so simple, runs and looks so much better than EVEN the so called next gen systems that run graphical settings lower than lowest on pc, that its darn evident that a pc is the way to go if you have the cash to build one.

Congratulations NNoyingHusband for having an open mind by trying out PC gaming and making the decision to become a PC gamer. I just wish that I can finally make this decision as you did, but due to lack of money and lack of game genres that appeal to me, I cannot make the jump. Perhaps sometime in the future when my financial situation has greatly improved and more game genres that appeal to me are found on the PC will take the jump to the PC.

Yeah it wasn't uncommon for me to need to edit .ini files in the install folder sometimes to get a game to work in the 90's and early 00's.

Thankfully that is very rare these days, even nonexistent. Generally if a game doesn't work for me these days it's because I modified it some how and that's on me lol.

I did have a problem launching Days Gone but I guess it doesn't play nice if you have more than one audio source, simple fix of disabling all my other ones. If that's the worst problem I have this year (and so far it has been), that's fine with me.

Yeah that argument is really played out at this point. PC runs pretty much flawlessly except for the occasional, easily-fixed bug.

Obvious exception here is early access games, but you can't judge based on alpha and beta builds of games.

@mrbojangles25: TBF, I still do some .ini mods, but that's just to improve the actual visuals of the game most of the time, or remove some graphics settings that's unchangeable in-game like Chromatic Abberation or Motion Blur.

Tales of Arise has horrible texture and NPC pop-ins on all platforms and PC's the only one capable of actually fixing it, thanks to the community and mods it offers.

And yeah, as for PC problems, I won't ignore that there are problems, but like super-gamebreaking ones? Almost never had them in the modern games I've played on PC.

AMD GPU? That’s unfortunate. Maybe you’ll experience proper PC gaming someday

I had a PC way back in the day, Athlon XP single core days. I did some PC gaming back then, but my real start into PC gaming was with a GTX 750Ti and I loved it. By that time, PC gaming had become easy, stable and automatic. Back in the day you needed to manually find the updates and drivers etc. And even though PC gamers look down on it, it's easier than ever to use nearly any control pad across any game.

Just got my first gaming keyboard. It's a cheap one, but has mechanical switches, it feels like good quality. I'm starting to get why it's worth it to get one. Not happy that it came with a cheap gaming mouse, would rather the money I paid was all for the keyboard. But so far so good. It's by a company called havit.

The MSI MAG274QRF-QD isn't a 2K screen, it's 2.5K

@Bond007uk: why is it considered 2.5K?

@goldenelementxl: I went with AMD because every single review shows the card I got outperforms the NVIDIA in its class. Was an easy decision not to get the NVIDIA. Sad what New World is doing to NVIDIA cards right now too. Haven’t seen a single AMD card being bricked by it yet.

Yeah, enjoy dude. Tough to go back from mkb for some game types. Tough to go back to console performance and TV gaming in general. A month in, can imagine those things seem pretty great.

Even once you get past the technical advantage/flexibility new car smell, the main reason to PC game really hits. The games you'll have access to, the library is simply ridiculous lol. Between official releases, mods, and emulation, can play just about everything out there.

And knowing those games will stick. Not needing to keep the previous box around just in case, or leave it up to the console maker to carry those games forward.

@BassMan: care to elaborate on this BS you’re referring to?

Yeah definitely. I was always mostly a console dude, would only occasionally dip into PC for specific games. Was that way all the way up through gen 7.

But early last gen, was just so clear where things were heading. PC getting all the game types it traditionally lacked, filling in those blanks. In better form 99% of the time. Consoles basically being severely limited PCs.

Closest thing to an all encompassing game system and just keeps getting better. Preference is fine, but it always seems weird when a "core" gamer is militantly opposed to PC gaming lol. Shit makes no sense.

PC gaming, console gaming, mobile gaming are all fine. Switch gaming on the otherhand. 🤢🤮

Apology accepted. Now enjoy.

I should have done this a long time ago.

Lol sure😂

Next trade in the QLED for an OLED and run your PC on that at high frame rates + best picture quality.

@nnoyinghusband: Thanks for being man enough to admit you were wrong and respectfully when I read allot of your posts, I could tell you had not tried it and had not done research on the Hardware and Monitors. Anyway I accept your apology and Thanks for being able to admit when you were wrong. Enjoy PC gaming and Welcome.

What site did you read your reviews on, AMD.com?

And yeah, a real shame what that one game, that’s been doing this to Nvidia cards for damn near a year, and isn’t that good anyway is doing to one vendors cards. 🙄

You went from console fanboy to AMD goon. You would have been better off defending the consoles…

You seem really upset over the notion that someone can pick AMD graphics card over Nvidia and then be brave enough to call him the fanboy. 😂

goldenelementxl is literally raging at anyone who mentions AMD. 😱

The main problems with PC Gaming for me is:

1) The cost - a decent mid-range gaming PC is double that of a PS5/XBSX. In fact the two consoles are now dedicated budget gaming PCs now.

2) Build - knowing what is the best builds / upgrades is truly mind-boggling. I do not want to spend what spare time I have trying to decide what is the best graphics card - I just want to game.

3) Windows OS - now I know no PC Gamer will ever criticise it but the Windows OS is a buggy mess and every update they throw out does seem to cause users problems - just look at Twitter after an update. Windows 11 seems to be denying systems that can handle it access (according to a Linus Tech Tips video I saw) due to some strange minimum requirements. The consoles OS are more stable as they have fewer considerations to accommodate.

I would like to see a cut-down dedicated to gaming PC which keeps the costs down and also the OS problems down with a OS that doesn't have to accommodate different processors and graphic cards. That is what the consoles offer. Outside of gaming I would only use it for email and web-browsing which doesn't take as much power as gaming, I am now someone who is that bothered by 4k gaming (1080/1440 is more than adequate for me) although I would take frame rate and AI improvements as far as I could afford

I will say that point 1&2 are the biggest road-blocks for me - and in that order.