Failed HD-GEN: Documenting Downgrades...

First Case.

FFXIII: Awesome CGI cut-scenes as "gameplay".

First.

Latest (and still Bullshoot):

I don't think anyone thought the first screenshot was gameplay or even in-engine... What's the point of your thread?JunkTrap

From what I have seen from ealier examples I think developers overestimated console capability this gen.

What they were showing off back in 2005/6 was significantly better than what consoles are doing today. You even have the MGS4 creator saying he overestimated the PS3.

The original UT3/GOW art assets were far ahead of the ones used in games today.

i don't get this but i think kameo, need for speed most wanted those 360 games aren't really HD. iam2green

I don't think anyone thought the first screenshot was gameplay or even in-engine...JunkTrap

Not true..I remember seeing threads touting them as in-game shots. They were quite obviously CG, but there were a number of people at the time that you just couldn't convince.

[QUOTE="JunkTrap"]I don't think anyone thought the first screenshot was gameplay or even in-engine... What's the point of your thread?loco145

[QUOTE="JunkTrap"]I don't think anyone thought the first screenshot was gameplay or even in-engine...Velocitas8

Not true..I remember seeing threads touting them as in-game shots. They were quite obviously CG, but there were a number of people at the time that you just couldn't convince.

That first pic was always confirmed to be CG...now for the real time shots in the original trailers the new screen shots look on par if not better...blazinpuertoroc

Your not confused by the fact that they said that the trailer had both CGI and IN-engine?JLF1

No. Users on these forums were picking out and uploading specific frames of the video (scenes that were very obviously CG) and claimed that those scenes were rendered in-engine.

[QUOTE="JLF1"]Your not confused by the fact that they said that the trailer had both CGI and IN-engine?Velocitas8

No. Users on these forums were picking out and uploading specific frames of the video (scenes that were very obviously CG) and claimed that those scenes were rendered in-engine.

I still don't get why the TC created this thread and claim FFXIII is dowgraded by comparing CGI and in-ingine pic. JLF1

Versus this

Is better?

There are a lot o things that can go wrong wit hthese screenshots. The capture devices could be completely different, and the resolutions of the screenshots themselves are different.Vandalvideo

The resolution of her Jacket alone is worlds appart. That isn't affected by what you said.loco145

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

I still don't get why the TC created this thread and claim FFXIII is dowgraded by comparing CGI and in-ingine pic. loco145

Versus this

Is better?

[QUOTE="loco145"] The resolution of her Jacket alone is worlds appart. That isn't affected by what you said.Vandalvideo

That difference isn't because of ambiance or capture quality...

Get your eyes checked then That difference isn't because of ambiance or capture quality... loco145

[QUOTE="loco145"]Get your eyes checked then That difference isn't because of ambiance or capture quality... Vandalvideo

The only valid reason is that she decided to change to a (extremely) lower quality vestment... for some in-game reason.

:lol:, no, is not... Just look at the detail... So, the lastes official screen release is during a texture loading during a cut-scene? :roll: Just look at the detail, there's generations apart in the detail... Im not talking about the IQ here...loco145

The first shot is CGI, and the second is gameplay...MGSFan92

Yes, yes it is. Those latest screenshots could be explained away by any number of things. Besides, it isn't even the final build. Many developers intentionally turn off graphic features in alpha and beta builds. Happens all the time. Besides, even if you went through all the effort to nitpick, who the crap cares about her freaking zipper on her undershirt? SERIOUSLY?!Vandalvideo

The best way to explain it would be that the final game won't look as good as the early video. There's your explanation. And this is just an example of the overall differences.loco145

[QUOTE="loco145"] The best way to explain it would be that the final game won't look as good as the early video. There's your explanation. And this is just an example of the overall differences.Vandalvideo

] The overall image doesn't look as good as the first... Her shirt is just the most easily spotted difference. (And something you can't argue that is because of capture quality). And I already proved that the second batch of images doesn't look quite as good as the first. You are the one who is speculating about the Pre-alpha BS.loco145

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="loco145"] The best way to explain it would be that the final game won't look as good as the early video. There's your explanation. And this is just an example of the overall differences.loco145

[QUOTE="loco145"]] The overall image doesn't look as good as the first... Her shirt is just the most easily spotted difference. (And something you can't argue that is because of capture quality). And I already proved that the second batch of images doesn't look quite as good as the first. You are the one who is speculating about the Pre-alpha BS.Vandalvideo

The zipper, her inner shirt, her hair, the face, the lighting.. the whole character isn't as detailed.loco145

But from what I've seen, the game looks nearly identical in both screenshots. Vandalvideo

The Final Fantasy formula:

Cutscene graphics = high quality 3D models

In-game graphics = lower quality models

Its been this way since FFX

Lol, you don't listen to reasons. In fact, the only way they are similar the screens is that is the same character. One of them being clearly lower quality. Nearly identical? :lol:loco145

The Final Fantasy formula:

Cutscene graphics = high quality 3D models

In-game graphics = lower quality models

Its been this way since FFX

Grinning_Demon

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"]

The Final Fantasy formula:

Cutscene graphics = high quality 3D models

In-game graphics = lower quality models

Its been this way since FFX

loco145

[QUOTE="loco145"] Lol, you don't listen to reasons. In fact, the only way they are similar the screens is that is the same character. One of them being clearly lower quality. Nearly identical? :lol:Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"]

The Final Fantasy formula:

Cutscene graphics = high quality 3D models

In-game graphics = lower quality models

Its been this way since FFX

loco145