Do you think game emmersion can be considered an art.

This is a topic that has been done to death already, but it's still worth talking about. I think it's amazing, in a personal way, how some games just draw me in and actually make me feel like I'm living in another world. For example, I can play skyrim or a game like forza and be completely into the roles those two different games present you. Whether I'm a wizard, or a race driver, or a pokemon trainer, an average joe surviving armaggedon, I think it's artistic the way games manage to do this. Most people here have had a similar experience like this I'm sure. There's always an argument why gaming should or shouldn't be an art, considering there's a very large global part of the industry that make gaming into a sport for entertainment value. Do you think it's an art or purely entertainment sw?

I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.Blabadon

I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.Blabadon

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.Gargus

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

The Medium of Video Games CAN be considered art. Doesn't mean every game is a prime example of it. Same with Music. 

That's what he's trying to get across, and I agree with him. I've never came across  game I'd view as art though.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.Gargus

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

[QUOTE="Gargus"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.BrunoBRS

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

^this. There are plenty of people who think JB is an artist, or that shitting on paper is some sort of expressive modern art.

apparently nobody in the game industry knows anything about immersion because if they did they would not be making controllers and tablets and phones screaming for your attention while you try to play a game.

Emmersion is Overated.Lulu_Lulu

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.k2theswiss

^

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

Gargus

I went to an art uni and yes, shitting on a piece of paper would've probably got your a first.

#dealwithit

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.Gargus

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"]Emmersion is Overated.Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"]Emmersion is Overated.Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.Gargus

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

Sure. 

PLL is a work of art too.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"]Emmersion is Overated.Lulu_Lulu

[QUOTE="Gargus"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.parkurtommo

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="Gargus"]

 

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

 

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

 

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

 

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"]Emmersion is Overated.speedfreak48t5p

The Boring and Shallow gameplay in Grand Theft Auto.Lulu_Lulu

Which game?

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"]The Boring and Shallow gameplay in Grand Theft Auto.faizan_faizan

Which game?

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"]The Boring and Shallow gameplay in Grand Theft Auto.Lulu_Lulu

Which game?

This ain't no time fo no jokes.

So yeah video games are art, in fact they require more artistic skills than any other form of entertainment. It requires musicians, concept artists, art directors, character designers, animators, 3D modellers, Directors, level designers, programmers, etc. All of these guys are artists.

parkurtommo

^

You can have all the directors and art directors that you want but its all window dressing unless those elements add up to some collective meaning. Unlike films, a lot of visual art in games is just there to look nice. It has no added value or meaning. That's why I think games are not art. They have a surface appreciation, which is great, but they're not profound.

I still don't understand why the gaming community wants this recognition, but then when someone criticises the medium, its all 'ohhh they're just meant to be fun! You're spoiling our fun'. The whole medium is so fragmented in what it wants to be. 

who gives a shit?mems_1224

You can have all the directors and art directors that you want but its all window dressing unless those elements add up to some collective meaning. Unlike films, a lot of visual art in games is just there to look nice. It has no added value or meaning. That's why I think games are not art. They have a surface appreciation, which is great, but they're not profound.

I still don't understand why the gaming community wants this recognition, but then when someone criticises the medium, its all 'ohhh they're just meant to be fun! You're spoiling our fun'. The whole medium is so fragmented in what it wants to be. 

biggest_loser

So not one game in the history fo gaming has had a deep, profound meaning or had any significant impact on one's feeling? 

The gaming community does not "want" gaming to be an art. It is already is one, so sayign that games are not is wrong. Thus the correction or argument.

You can have all the directors and art directors that you want but its all window dressing unless those elements add up to some collective meaning. Unlike films, a lot of visual art in games is just there to look nice. It has no added value or meaning. That's why I think games are not art. They have a surface appreciation, which is great, but they're not profound.

I still don't understand why the gaming community wants this recognition, but then when someone criticises the medium, its all 'ohhh they're just meant to be fun! You're spoiling our fun'. The whole medium is so fragmented in what it wants to be. 

biggest_loser

The only ones really concerned about gaming becoming an "art" are the gaming journalists who want to be seen as "real" journalists. All the recent articles popping up left and right over-analysing games as sexist, homophobic, racist etc are just laughable to me.DefconRave

Look at my sig for my opinion.

I'm sorry, but anybody claiming videogames are not art is so hopelessly muddled in their thinking that I doubt any amount of evidence or rational debate is going to bring about a change in their thinking.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I think like any other medium of conveying your thoughts to others in a manner of engagement, games are art.Gargus

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

who gives a shit?mems_1224

I'm sorry, but anybody claiming videogames are not art is so hopelessly muddled in their thinking that I doubt any amount of evidence or rational debate is going to bring about a change in their thinking.

kalipekona

Look at my sig for my opinion.

kalipekona

I'm sorry, but anybody claiming videogames are not art is so hopelessly muddled in their thinking that I doubt any amount of evidence or rational debate is going to bring about a change in their thinking.

kalipekona

Do you even know how ridiculous you sound? It seems like you're living in your own little bubble that anything outside of it is deemed either irrelevant or irrational.

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

Look at my sig for my opinion.

rjdofu

I'm sorry, but anybody claiming videogames are not art is so hopelessly muddled in their thinking that I doubt any amount of evidence or rational debate is going to bring about a change in their thinking.

kalipekona

Do you even know how ridiculous you sound? It seems like you're living in your own little bubble that anything outside of it is deemed either irrelevant or irrational.

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

Which game?

faizan_faizan

This ain't no time fo no jokes.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"]

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]
[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

I'm sorry, but anybody claiming videogames are not art is so hopelessly muddled in their thinking that I doubt any amount of evidence or rational debate is going to bring about a change in their thinking.

biggest_loser

Do you even know how ridiculous you sound? It seems like you're living in your own little bubble that anything outside of it is deemed either irrelevant or irrational.

I criticized irrational and nonsensical criticisms of the game (as I saw it, of course). That doesn't mean that if someone wanted to debate the merits of that game that I wouldn't do it. I didn't "piss on critics of the game" either.  I criticized those particular criticisms in that review as being illogical. 

But there are some things that are too stupid to debate. I'm not going to waste my time going around and around with somebody that claims the moon is made out of cheese, for example. 

You can have all the directors and art directors that you want but its all window dressing unless those elements add up to some collective meaning. Unlike films, a lot of visual art in games is just there to look nice. It has no added value or meaning. That's why I think games are not art. They have a surface appreciation, which is great, but they're not profound.

I still don't understand why the gaming community wants this recognition, but then when someone criticises the medium, its all 'ohhh they're just meant to be fun! You're spoiling our fun'. The whole medium is so fragmented in what it wants to be. 

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="Lulu_Lulu"] I don't know, the one with that dude that has hair. . . . . LOL.Lulu_Lulu

This ain't no time fo no jokes.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"]

[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

Do you even know how ridiculous you sound? It seems like you're living in your own little bubble that anything outside of it is deemed either irrelevant or irrational.

biggest_loser

I love your leap in logic there.

In any case, why didn't you call this guy out?

So the transformers movies are art? Justin bieber is art? A guy who pisses into a jair full of nails is creating art? If I shit on a piece of paper its art?

 

The problem with art is everyone so desperately tries to argue with others how their medium is art instead of just enjoying it.

 

The concept of art is ridiculious since by definition anything can be art if you phrase it correctly. And arguing what is or isnt art is a horrible waste of time because at the end of the day no on gives a shit what you think or anyone else thinks and you have changed anyones mind.

 

I love video games, I dont think they are anymore a piece of artwork then a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground. Calling games art and arguing about is for hipsters, know it all college freshman, people with too much time on their hands, and pretentious morons with nothing better to do.

Gargus

I guess we know where your bias lies. And yes, I'm sorry, but this guy's thinking seems very irrational and muddled to me. I mean, he equates the value of games as art with "a guy who throws a cup of red paint on the ground".

Sadly, that's the kind of thinking I run into over and over again whenever I see somebody boldly claiming "games are not art". In the past I tried to debate the subject wtih people of that mindset, but I've grown tired of it. All they have ever done is get lost in semantics and end up contradicting themselves. 

That said, I do think my post was out of line. I let my annoyance with the above guy's post lead me to overstate my feelings on the matter. I am open to changing my views if somebody can present compelling facts and/or reasoning that would lead me to another view.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

You can have all the directors and art directors that you want but its all window dressing unless those elements add up to some collective meaning. Unlike films, a lot of visual art in games is just there to look nice. It has no added value or meaning. That's why I think games are not art. They have a surface appreciation, which is great, but they're not profound.

I still don't understand why the gaming community wants this recognition, but then when someone criticises the medium, its all 'ohhh they're just meant to be fun! You're spoiling our fun'. The whole medium is so fragmented in what it wants to be. 

parkurtommo

Even considering visual art alone, videogames are absolutely packed with it. 

People can argue all they want whether art exists or not, but as art is commonly understood and meaning exchanged with the word, videogames are clearly and undeniably art.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

You can have all the directors and art directors that you want but its all window dressing unless those elements add up to some collective meaning. Unlike films, a lot of visual art in games is just there to look nice. It has no added value or meaning. That's why I think games are not art. They have a surface appreciation, which is great, but they're not profound.

I still don't understand why the gaming community wants this recognition, but then when someone criticises the medium, its all 'ohhh they're just meant to be fun! You're spoiling our fun'. The whole medium is so fragmented in what it wants to be. 

parkurtommo

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

You can have all the directors and art directors that you want but its all window dressing unless those elements add up to some collective meaning. Unlike films, a lot of visual art in games is just there to look nice. It has no added value or meaning. That's why I think games are not art. They have a surface appreciation, which is great, but they're not profound.

I still don't understand why the gaming community wants this recognition, but then when someone criticises the medium, its all 'ohhh they're just meant to be fun! You're spoiling our fun'. The whole medium is so fragmented in what it wants to be. 

biggest_loser