A Discussion on MGS4

The consensus on the fourth installment of Metal Gear Solid seems to be, quite frankly, that it sucks. I personally loved it; though I don't think it's as good as Snake Eater, I did find it to be very fun and entertaining. I loved the multiple settings; each was on a different continent, which made the game feel like a true epic. I also enjoyed the over-the-top plot twists and revelations, such as the cadaver being Solidus Snake instead of Big Boss, and Liquid Ocelot being the result of hypnosis and not Liquid's transplanted arm. I also enjoyed the incorporation of private military companies and the subsequent war economy into the story. As far as the emotional aspect of the game, I thought it was very well executed, coming quite close to that of Snake Eater. The most emotional parts of the game, for me, were when half of Snake's face got severely burned, when what seemed to be Big Boss's corpse was desecrated by Liquid, and when Snake and Big Boss made peace.

The downsides of the game, in my opinion, were the ability to upgrade and purchase weapons from Drebin at any point in the game even though he was nowhere nearby (WTF?), the clunky over-the-shoulder shooting mechanics, and...I guess that's it.

Anyhow, what did you think of MGS 4 ?

Phew, I dont have the time or patience to give my full opinion right now.

As a game I think its average.  As an MGS game I think its garbage.

It doesn't suck.. it's just popular, that's the problem for some people.

It doesn't suck.. it's just popular, that's the problem for some people.

Joedgabe

You're right, popularity is the main point of offense for many people.  MGS4 is just another playing card in the fanboy deck so to speak.

But a lot of us have legit reasons for our distaste in the game.

Best MGS ever made. Also the fifth greatest game of this generation :cool:

MGS4 is a masterpiece. The haters are people who don't have access to the game.

It was fantastic at release but it hasn't aged well. All of them were fantastic at release and aged poorly. MGS1 is almost unplayable by now. This gen there were so many third person shooters than came out with smooth and fluid gameplay; if you try to go back and play MGS4, it feels, as you said, clunky.Couth_

As a shooter any MGS game feels clunky, even on day one.  As a stealth game, MGS2 and MGS3 havent aged much at all.

MGS4 is a masterpiece. The haters are people who don't have access to the game.

NathanDrakeSwag

Most of the "haters" know a good deal more about the series than all these SW cheerleaders.

Phew, I dont have the time or patience to give my full opinion right now.

As a game I think its average.  As an MGS game I think its garbage.

ConanTheStoner

[QUOTE="Couth_"]It was fantastic at release but it hasn't aged well. All of them were fantastic at release and aged poorly. MGS1 is almost unplayable by now. This gen there were so many third person shooters than came out with smooth and fluid gameplay; if you try to go back and play MGS4, it feels, as you said, clunky.sandbox3d

As a shooter any MGS game feels clunky, even on day one.  As a stealth game, MGS2 and MGS3 havent aged much at all.

Also, MGS2 and MGS3 have aged because the shooting mechanic is just plain unpleasant to use. It doesn't matter if those are more stealth oriented, shooting is still a pretty decent part of the game.

10/10 GOTY 94 Metacritic

"It Sucks"

:lol: 

How do you guys feel about the use of nanomachines as a plot device?

I really enjoyed it.

It was a good as far as games go, but as far as Metal Gear Solid games go, it sucked. One of the biggest disappointments for me this generation.

MGS4 is a masterpiece. The haters are people who don't have access to the game.

NathanDrakeSwag

MGS4 is a masterpiece. The haters are people who don't have access to the game.

NathanDrakeSwag

I traded my copy in a few months back towards a WiiU.  They only offered me a few bucks for it, but I just didnt want it tainting my game collection any longer.

How does that make you feel?

10/10 GOTY 94 Metacritic

 

"It Sucks"

 

:lol: 

Eddie-Vedder

MGS4 is the same type of game as Uncharted: A third person shooter with some stealthy or more accurately, sneaky, elements; and Uncharted 2 obliterated MGS4.

Also, MGS2 and MGS3 have aged because the shooting mechanic is just plain unpleasant to use. It doesn't matter if those are more stealth oriented, shooting is still a pretty decent part of the game.

Couth_

You cant be serious with that Uncharted comparison.  

Sorry, but I dont typically shoot anything in MGS games besides bosses.  I got through MGS4 with no kills the last time I played.  I dont think you understand how these games work lol.

Beyond that I have no trouble with the shooting in any MGS game.  Playing different =/= playing poorly.  Not every game is supposed to have an arcade fps feel.

 MGS4 is the same type of game as Uncharted

Couth_

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

MGS4 is the same type of game as Uncharted: A third person shooter with some stealthy or more accurately, sneaky, elements; and Uncharted 2 obliterated MGS4.

Also, MGS2 and MGS3 have aged because the shooting mechanic is just plain unpleasant to use. It doesn't matter if those are more stealth oriented, shooting is still a pretty decent part of the game.

sandbox3d

You cant be serious with that Uncharted comparison.  

Sorry, but I dont typically shoot anything in MGS games besides bosses.  I got through MGS4 with no kills the last time I played.  I dont think you understand how these games work lol.

Beyond that I have no trouble with the shooting in any MGS game.  Playing different =/= playing poorly.  Not every game is supposed to have an arcade fps feel.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

MGS4 is the same type of game as Uncharted: A third person shooter with some stealthy or more accurately, sneaky, elements; and Uncharted 2 obliterated MGS4.

Also, MGS2 and MGS3 have aged because the shooting mechanic is just plain unpleasant to use. It doesn't matter if those are more stealth oriented, shooting is still a pretty decent part of the game.

princeofshapeir

You cant be serious with that Uncharted comparison.  

Sorry, but I dont typically shoot anything in MGS games besides bosses.  I got through MGS4 with no kills the last time I played.  I dont think you understand how these games work lol.

Beyond that I have no trouble with the shooting in any MGS game.  Playing different =/= playing poorly.  Not every game is supposed to have an arcade fps feel.

Overall I agree with everything you said.

But while the stealth in MGS4 is more of an afterthought, you can still clear the entire game with no kills and no alerts.  Its just not very fun.  More fun than gunning your way through, but still lame.

Phew, I dont have the time or patience to give my full opinion right now.

As a game I think its average.  As an MGS game I think its garbage.

ConanTheStoner

it was not that great.

the gamplay was mostly broken from the moment you start playing by them giving you a one shot "kill" tranq gun.

also i thought the smoking monkey and the poop jokes and snake upskirting that chick and the shyt like that is just flat out stupid.

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

MGS4 is the same type of game as Uncharted: A third person shooter with some stealthy or more accurately, sneaky, elements; and Uncharted 2 obliterated MGS4.

Also, MGS2 and MGS3 have aged because the shooting mechanic is just plain unpleasant to use. It doesn't matter if those are more stealth oriented, shooting is still a pretty decent part of the game.

sandbox3d

You cant be serious with that Uncharted comparison.  

Sorry, but I dont typically shoot anything in MGS games besides bosses.  I got through MGS4 with no kills the last time I played.  I dont think you understand how these games work lol.

Beyond that I have no trouble with the shooting in any MGS game.  Playing different =/= playing poorly.  Not every game is supposed to have an arcade fps feel.

MGS4 was an impressive game to me.  I cried at the end.

I hate the series but think after 3 that 4 is the best.

it was not that great.

the gamplay was mostly broken from the moment you start playing by them giving you a one shot "kill" tranq gun.

also i thought the smoking monkey and the poop jokes and snake upskirting that chick and the shyt like that is just flat out stupid.

Riverwolf007

I highly enjoyed it and its ranked as second best MGS game on my list. With MGS1 of course being first. I still want to revist MGS4 but I keep getting new games so that takes up my time.

MGS4 is an absolutely brilliant game.  I loved all of it.  Playing it, I felt like Sony had just won.  I would put MGS4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 as the best games of this generation, no question.  They would rank high on a list of best games of all time.  

Even the cutscenes are great in MGS4.  I felt like there was a great story there about nano-machines and the future of weaponry and control.  It's just too long winded, but I have a hard time condemning a game for doing the cutscenes wrong.  To call the game a movie is beyond stupid.  There is so much gameplay there.

 I felt like there was a great story there about nano-machines

GunSmith1_basic

MGS4 is an absolutely brilliant game.  I loved all of it.  Playing it, I felt like Sony had just won.  I would put MGS4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 as the best games of this generation, no question.  They would rank high on a list of best games of all time.  

Even the cutscenes are great in MGS4.  I felt like there was a great story there about nano-machines and the future of weaponry and control.  It's just too long winded, but I have a hard time condemning a game for doing the cutscenes wrong.  To call the game a movie is beyond stupid.  There is so much gameplay there.

GunSmith1_basic

i currently am too sleepy to go into detail but mgs4 is one of the greatest games ever made

mgs 3 > mgs4 > mgs1 > mgs2

cons:

-didnt like much that everything was explained by nanomachines

-really long cutscenes, seriously.

pros

-everthing else.

Loved MGS4, was up there with 1 and 2 for me, 3 was my least favorite.

MGS4>3>2>1.

I believe each game has only gotten better. And everyone who is saying its "s***", "it sucks" etc should not be posting here. You should never be game reviewers as you would obviously give it 0/10 scores.

How did the story suck? It didn't! The story was great and epic. Minor critism is length of cutscenes and perhaps over explanation.

Gameplay is the best in the series.

Graphics is the best in the series.

Sound effects like guns/explosions are the best in the series.

Voice acting is best in the series.

Complaining that the game is too short? LMAO. EVERY MGS game is short. Always been like that. MGS1 can be beaten in 3 hours. MGS2 around 4 or so. MGS3 was probably the longest at 7-8 hours?(probably less because I'm not the fastest at this game). And MGS4 was 4 hours. But at this point, who cares about game length as long as the game is awesome? No one cares that CoD has 4 hour campaigns.

And I HATE the hate MGS2 gets. It's a masterpiece and it murdered MGS1 in quality(In before fanboys buh buh the mgs1 characters/story/setting were better!). Yeah, but the rest of MGS1 pales in comparison to MGS2. And MGS2's story was amazing. It was gripping and kept me at the edge of my seat with boats sinking, russian betrayals, talking arms, metal gears, president kidnappings, shells exploding, fatmen laughing, bi vampires, sexy little emma emmerich, badass solidus and such a DAMN GREAT ENDING THAT BLEW MY FREAKING MIND! Solidus's epic speech and jack/raiden snake talking at the end was so freaking good. How can you not love this game? I didnt even mention the crazy colonel AI, fortune and all the little easter eggs.

But, since you played as raiden is sucked right? Grow up. I loved every second of MGS2 and i never once had a problem playing as raiden. It's only years later i go on the internet and learn about all this hate and I just laugh at the haters. Your missing out on a great game because you have a poor attitude. Grow up.

How did the story suck? It didn't! The story was great and epic.

stuff238

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Simple statements like these make me waste hours.  Not doing it this time.

[QUOTE="stuff238"]

How did the story suck? It didn't! The story was great and epic.

Wiimotefan

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Simple statements like these make me waste hours.  Not doing it this time.

Kojimas magnum opus, a work beyond words.  A work that transcends the medium.  Resting high upon its throne, poised to remain the epicenter of all that represents great literature, MGS4 can not be stopped.

10/10 goty #SDC, you mad?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

it was not that great.

the gamplay was mostly broken from the moment you start playing by them giving you a one shot "kill" tranq gun.

also i thought the smoking monkey and the poop jokes and snake upskirting that chick and the shyt like that is just flat out stupid.

foxhound_fox

Consesus is that is sucks? I'd like to see that consensus.