Do you think the Clinton's not inviting Obama to Chelsea's wedding was a snub?

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#1 topsemag55
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There has been some friction between Bill Clinton and Obama at times. There has even been some speculation that Hillary will run against Obama in 2012, if his popularity dips in the 30-percentile range.

Obama commented on his not being invited to Chelsea's wedding on The View here.

Thoughts? Do you think this might be a snub, or not?

Sorry, I can't make a poll...time limit isn't up.

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#2 Chris_Williams
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umm, i can understand why this is suppose to be her special day, having obama there would kind of take away the focus from her so i would have done that same thing also they already got a crazy quest list to contend with, Oprah, steven spliberg "however you spell it" and others so i see nothing wrong with it

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#3 LJS9502_basic
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Depends on if you think politicians should invite each other I guess...and here's hoping a Democrat does run against him in the primaries....
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#4 CosmicZombie
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Damn racism

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#5 GabuEx
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Obama isn't immediate family or anything, so I don't see why he'd have been invited. I'd find it kind of creepy if my boss was invited to my wedding.

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#6 entropyecho
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I'd find it kind of creepy if my boss was invited to my wedding.

GabuEx

Isn't it proper etiquette to invite your boss to your wedding?

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#7 D_Battery
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When you're the president of the United States, it's kind of hard not to steal the spotlight. I wouldn't read too far into it.
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#8 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I'd find it kind of creepy if my boss was invited to my wedding.

entropyecho

Isn't it proper etiquette to invite your boss to your wedding?

No it's not.
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#9 entropyecho
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No it's not.LJS9502_basic
Really? It appears my coworkers are doing it wrong. :?

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#10 topsemag55
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Depends on if you think politicians should invite each other I guess...and here's hoping a Democrat does run against him in the primaries....LJS9502_basic

I agree, but it would split the party in half.

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#11 Bedizen
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Not really

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#12 NoobisMaxcimus
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Obama would steal the attention.

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#13 scorch-62
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No. Obama would take all of the attention.
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#14 nocoolnamejim
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Two things. 1. There's zero chance of any serious Democrat running against Obama in 2012.

2. There's nothing to this. As Gabu mentioned, these two are coworkers...not family. Not everything has to be the politically correct thing to do. I sure as heck wouldn't invite coworkers to my daughter's wedding if I had one.
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#15 LJS9502_basic
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I sure as heck wouldn't invite coworkers to my daughter's wedding if I had one.nocoolnamejim
Depends on how much money they have to spring for a gift.....>__>

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#16 topsemag55
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There's zero chance of any serious Democrat running against Obama in 2012.

nocoolnamejim

Hillary supporters think her chances would be better in 2012 than they would be in 2016.

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#17 GHlegend77
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I was thinking about how it'd be great to have Bill Clinton as the head again. Hillary's okay too, though. ... Obama sucks.
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#18 Pixel-Pirate
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No.

It's already going to be an event that attracts alot of attention, and having the PRESIDENT there would attract more attention. And they probably want it to be low key.

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#19 Snipes_2
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Probably not. Kind of hoping it would be a snub though, then Obama would have adressed it on T.v. :lol:

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#20 jamejame
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No it's not.entropyecho

Really? It appears my coworkers are doing it wrong. :?

Or they want your bosses favor?

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#21 kipohippo021
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Obama isn't immediate family or anything, so I don't see why he'd have been invited. I'd find it kind of creepy if my boss was invited to my wedding.

GabuEx
this, but i guess he could be considered a 'friend'
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#22 Serraph105
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wow I really don't care one way or the other about something as trivial as whether or not Obama merrited an invite to Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

I think I will file this next to Obama bowing to a foriegn leader. That is how much I don't care.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] There's zero chance of any serious Democrat running against Obama in 2012.

topsemag55

Hillary supporters think her chances would be better in 2012 than they would be in 2016.

Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.
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#24 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] There's zero chance of any serious Democrat running against Obama in 2012.

nocoolnamejim

Hillary supporters think her chances would be better in 2012 than they would be in 2016.

Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.

"My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream."

Oh Yeah 8)

Seriously though, I'm pretty far to the right and I don't think Hillary Clinton would beat Obama.

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#25 GHlegend77
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] There's zero chance of any serious Democrat running against Obama in 2012.

nocoolnamejim

Hillary supporters think her chances would be better in 2012 than they would be in 2016.

Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.


I didn't know people still had nocturnal emissions at that age.

=3

But seriously, what about Bill Clinton? He'd be a good pres. He was, besides the whole Lewinsky-gate thing. And we need someone to represent good ol' Arkansas again :cry:

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Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.nocoolnamejim

Where did conservatives come from? I was speaking about Democrats that like Hillary.

Besides, if she wanted to run, doesn't she have the right to do that?

She hasn't said (as far as I know) that she won't run.

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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.topsemag55

Where did conservatives come from? I was speaking about Democrats that like Hillary.

Besides, if she wanted to run, doesn't she have the right to do that?

She hasn't said (as far as I know) that she won't run.

My point with mentioning that was that there is no broad spread speculation or movement from the left to have Hillary run again. There's no "Draft Hillary" movement or widespread rejection of Obama among the Democratic base. That's why I said that I think the whole notion that there might be a Democratic primary challenger to Obama is a conservative pipe dream. Conservatives want it to happen because it makes Obama much more beatable in 2012, but it is extremely unlikely. There might be some remaining bitter PUMAs out there, but they are nowhere near numerous enough to make for a credible threat to Obama.
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#28 nocoolnamejim
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

Hillary supporters think her chances would be better in 2012 than they would be in 2016.

GHlegend77

Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.


I didn't know people still had nocturnal emissions at that age.

=3

But seriously, what about Bill Clinton? He'd be a good pres. He was, besides the whole Lewinsky-gate thing. And we need someone to represent good ol' Arkansas again :cry:

Not eligible. Term limits say that nobody can be president for longer than two terms in office. (The law was changed after FDR was elected four times.)
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#29 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] There's zero chance of any serious Democrat running against Obama in 2012.

nocoolnamejim

Hillary supporters think her chances would be better in 2012 than they would be in 2016.

Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.

Eh....there are Democrats unhappy with Obama and want a change. It would be preferable to have a Democrat....but if not...another party will do.

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#30 Fuhgeddabouditt
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I think it was because many will cry that Obama spent 4 hrs @ a wedding.
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[QUOTE="GHlegend77"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.nocoolnamejim


I didn't know people still had nocturnal emissions at that age.

=3

But seriously, what about Bill Clinton? He'd be a good pres. He was, besides the whole Lewinsky-gate thing. And we need someone to represent good ol' Arkansas again :cry:

Not eligible. Term limits say that nobody can be president for longer than two terms in office. (The law was changed after FDR was elected four times.)

Well, we still need to someone to represent Arkansas again. Just saying :P

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#32 JustPlainLucas
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Nooooo.... it was because Obama's black! /sarcasm
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#33 nocoolnamejim
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

Hillary supporters think her chances would be better in 2012 than they would be in 2016.

LJS9502_basic

Hillary Clinton, for all her faults, is not an idiot. She knows she had her chance. She's vain beyond belief. She dragged out the 2008 primary beyond all reason to the point where I was honestly wondering if someone would have to club her over the head to drag her off the stage and out of the limelight. But she knows now that it is over. She'll never be president. Obama's approval rating among Democrats is somewhere around 90% and, overall, he's had a very successful presidency (from a Democrat point of view) over the last two years. Hillary would be vilified by all but her most hardcore supporters if she made a primary challenge. My honest opinion is the whole "maybe Hillary will run against Obama in 2012" thing is nothing more than a conservative fantasy/wet dream.

Eh....there are Democrats unhappy with Obama and want a change. It would be preferable to have a Democrat....but if not...another party will do.

I'm sure there are, but not in the numbers needed for a serious primary challenge from the left. By and large, the Democrats unhappy with Obama are unhappy that he hasn't been liberal enough on some issues. For the most part, they're angry with him for things like the lack of a singlepayer/public option in the Health Care Reform bill, or for not repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell fast enough, or for letting the Bush Administration slide on torture and being weak on civil liberties. I'm not saying there aren't Dems angry with Obama in other areas, but by and large Obama's not afraid of a challenge from the left. A primary challenger would very likely open the door to, say, a Romney or (god forbid) a Palin presidency by splitting the party. There just isn't the appetite for that when the potential Republican party candidates look so very unappealing to most people who self-identify as Democrats.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="GHlegend77"]
I didn't know people still had nocturnal emissions at that age.

=3

But seriously, what about Bill Clinton? He'd be a good pres. He was, besides the whole Lewinsky-gate thing. And we need someone to represent good ol' Arkansas again :cry:

GHlegend77

Not eligible. Term limits say that nobody can be president for longer than two terms in office. (The law was changed after FDR was elected four times.)

Well, we still need to someone to represent Arkansas again. Just saying :P

Hmm. Got anyone in mind? I'm not sure I can think of a single "big name" politician from EITHER party from Arkansas at the moment. (Not trying to be offensive, the biggest name politician from my state got his fame by being a bit too frisky in an airport bathroom stall.)
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I'm sure there are, but not in the numbers needed for a serious primary challenge from the left. By and large, the Democrats unhappy with Obama are unhappy that he hasn't been liberal enough on some issues. For the most part, they're angry with him for things like the lack of a singlepayer/public option in the Health Care Reform bill, or for not repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell fast enough, or for letting the Bush Administration slide on torture and being weak on civil liberties. I'm not saying there aren't Dems angry with Obama in other areas, but by and large Obama's not afraid of a challenge from the left. A primary challenger would very likely open the door to, say, a Romney or (god forbid) a Palin presidency by splitting the party. There just isn't the appetite for that when the potential Republican party candidates look so very unappealing to most people who self-identify as Democrats.nocoolnamejim
Some are...and some are unhappy with how liberal he has been.

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I think it was because many will cry that Obama spent 4 hrs @ a wedding. Fuhgeddabouditt
I'd hate to hear that one. He already got enough slag for spending a significantly shorter amount of time on The View.
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[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] I'm sure there are, but not in the numbers needed for a serious primary challenge from the left. By and large, the Democrats unhappy with Obama are unhappy that he hasn't been liberal enough on some issues. For the most part, they're angry with him for things like the lack of a singlepayer/public option in the Health Care Reform bill, or for not repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell fast enough, or for letting the Bush Administration slide on torture and being weak on civil liberties. I'm not saying there aren't Dems angry with Obama in other areas, but by and large Obama's not afraid of a challenge from the left. A primary challenger would very likely open the door to, say, a Romney or (god forbid) a Palin presidency by splitting the party. There just isn't the appetite for that when the potential Republican party candidates look so very unappealing to most people who self-identify as Democrats.LJS9502_basic

Some are...and some are unhappy with how liberal he has been.

I'm sure you're right about that, but primary voters are usually (not always) among the more extreme parts of their party. Without widespread dissatisfaction from the left, I doubt Obama sees a primary challenger no matter how much some might want it to happen. For the same reason why you never saw a primary challenger to President George W. Bush. A lot of folks felt he had been too conservative, but primary challengers come from the wings, not the center.
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#38 topsemag55
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Some are...and some are unhappy with how liberal he has been.

LJS9502_basic

Agreed. And some Democrats aren't happy about his decision to take Arizona to court.

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#39 nocoolnamejim
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I think people are missing the point that I'm trying to make here. "Some people" does not a national primary challenge make. You can find "some people" unhappy with any politician on any particular issue, or even about an entire two year stretch. The point is that "some people" is not the same as "widespread dissatisfaction among primary voters". Poll after poll indicates that Obama remains massively popular, in general, among Democrats. Not ALL Democrats, but the overwhelming majority. Without widespread dissatisfaction towards Obama AMONG DEMOCRATS there is just not going to be a Democratic challenger. And widespread dissatisfaction needs to be a lot higher than 10-20% (Depending on the poll you're looking at) for big name Democrats (like Hillary) to challenge a sitting Democratic president. And with that...it's time for me to go install and play Starcraft 2.
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#40 Funkyhamster
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Obama explained it right there in the article... they want the wedding to be normal, and all sense of normalcy goes to hell when the POTUS is around.

EDIT: I only read the first page... it appears as though this thread has gone in a different direction. :?

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#41 topsemag55
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Obama explained it right there in the article... they want the wedding to be normal, and all sense of normalcy goes to hell when the POTUS is around.

EDIT: I only read the first page... it appears as though this thread has gone in a different direction. :?

Funkyhamster

You're fine.:) This thread is going down two paths, but both at the same time...an enjoyable debate, actually.:P

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#42 ragek1ll589
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The Clintons weren't obligated to invite Obama to the wedding.

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#43 dercoo
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I'm in the "I don't care camp".

Really weddings are usual close family and friends.

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#44 topsemag55
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[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]I think it was because many will cry that Obama spent 4 hrs @ a wedding. scorch-62
I'd hate to hear that one. He already got enough slag for spending a significantly shorter amount of time on The View.

Scorch, some people were a little miffed that he chose The View over addressing the Boy Scouts of America...Obama was specifically invited to their 100th anniversary.

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#45 criinok
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Even before I saw his statement about it on The View, I thought it was understandable for the same reason he said. If he were there, it would detract all the attention from the wedding.

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#46 scorch-62
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[QUOTE="scorch-62"][QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]I think it was because many will cry that Obama spent 4 hrs @ a wedding. topsemag55
I'd hate to hear that one. He already got enough slag for spending a significantly shorter amount of time on The View.

Scorch, some people were a little miffed that he chose The View over addressing the Boy Scouts of America...Obama was specifically invited to their 100th anniversary.

I'm sorry. I mean, god forbid he stand in a field talking to his uniformed youth for a couple minutes. :roll:
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#47 topsemag55
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I'm sorry. I mean, god forbid he stand in a field talking to his uniformed youth for a couple minutes. :roll:scorch-62

I'm sorry, how could I forget? Of course, a far-left president cannot afford to associate himself with a youth group that is based upon conservative values.:roll:

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#48 Link256
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All I know is this is why I have stopped watching the media: because of non-stories such as this.

Otherwise, enough with this BS talk of Hillary running against Obama in 2012. She's not idiot. Do so, would split the party, and all but guarantee a Republican victory.

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#49 GabuEx
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There might be some remaining bitter PUMAs out therenocoolnamejim

I'm not sure it's ever been established that those people actually existed in the first place.

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#50 surrealnumber5
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this is not news and i dont see why anyone should give a crap