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How Call of Duty Zombies Was Almost Canceled

Mark Lamia speaking at DICE revealed that the popular mainstay mode almost didn't exist for Call of Duty.

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Today at this year's DICE developer summit, Treyarch's Mark Lamia revealed the time he almost cut the zombies mode from Call of Duty: World at War.

While World at War was in development, a small group of programmers spent their off-time working on a Nazi zombies prototype just for fun. Since the game was in crunch, and zombies didn't fit with the franchise's setting, Lamia considered telling them to stop wasting time and focus on the primary game. It was a move he described as something "that would have been the biggest mistake of my career."

In the end, he calmed down and tried out the mode himself. It turned out to be really fun, and Lamia felt it would be a worthwhile addition to the game. But trying to convince the franchise's leadership was another uphill battle and some people even thought it would be a "disgrace to the franchise." The team continued working on the mode in the background, and tried using word of mouth to spread how enjoyable the mode was, rather than pitching it directly to higher-ups at the studio.

However, Call of Duty's marketing and PR teams felt it was confusing and too off-brand to fit with the Call of Duty franchise. Back then in 2008, Lamia sad trying to sell a Call of Duty Zombies game would have felt like the series had jumped the shark. That's why it was put in World at War as an easter egg that could only be accessed by players who had beat the main campaign.

Eventually after launch, the zombie mode became so popular that it was unlocked through a patch. The fiction for the zombie universe evolved over time and was driven in a large part by fans and their speculation and message board posting.

But even with Black Ops, there was no branding, PR, or marketing around the game's zombies mode. Lamia described it as a blessing in disguise, since it gave fans of the game a way to continue interacting with the game in a more viral sense. Kind of like the zombie virus itself.

Lamia didn't reveal any details on what type of Call of Duty Treyarch is working on next, but given the nature of the talk, it's safe to assume there will be zombies.

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They need to add a mode where it's progressive, instead of starting all over and losing everything much like Extinction where you gain experience and have more unlocked. Exo-Survival mode should have done this, and I was severely disappointed when they kinda marketed it as so. It was nothing but a glorified MW3 survival mode, but worse. MW3 did it well, it was lacking in AW.

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I'm hoping that Treyarch releases World at War II with Zombies included.

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call of mediocrity

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<< LINK REMOVED >> le cod sux where is my le kcarma xD xD -You

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Never really cared about zombies and the older CoDs were for NooBs but the New CoD (AW) brings out the skilled players. Best FPSer ever!

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Face palm. I think you need to reread what you just wrote or your 5 years old

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Agreed... pretty sure he has that backwards. Unless trolling?

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That was the sole reason I bought and played through the WaW campaign, to get to the zombie mode. It was great fun and some of the user created maps were fantastic.

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Treyarch is fantastic at making Zombies fun, I go back to each Zombies map at least once a year; I can't wait to see what they have in store for us this year!!

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Not that we needed more proof, that higher ups have no idea what people want, but I for one, am glad it made it in. Still play COD:WaW today, not so much the rest though.


Custom maps on PC extended the lifespan by hundreds of hours.

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make a 4 player co-op like world at war had make it like left 4 dead witch is missing on sony consoles and i bet you it would sell

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to be honest, the main reason why ill get Call of duty this year is because of Zombies ( and also the fact its made by treyarch so its going to be good) Plus the game may go back to world war style ? even better in my eyes.

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I couldn't agree more Zombies is great, but I think another World War setting would be better than all the future settings.

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I kept saying they need to make a CoD Zombies game. That would be so much fun. WaW had 4 player coop campaign and gore. Bring both back for a full fledged zombies game

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<< LINK REMOVED >> A CoD Zombies game would be epic! The backstory is really interesting and would make an awesome game. They could, also, release a special edition with all the old maps remastered or something like that

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I've always found the backstory behind the first development of zombies in World at War very interesting. To know that they were a little weary of putting zombies into the game baffles my mind since now it's a huge hit to almost every COD player. It's so cool to think some of the developers were creating the zombie mode undercover and than Lamia saw it and put it into the gaming not even knowing where it would go. Even though COD: AW has Exo-Zombies, Treyarch will always have the best zombies to date no matter what.

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N-zi Zombie mode was the last time COD was great. The series was all downhill after that. I liked Modern Warfare 2 at first, but it got old fast. Didn't bother with the series after that.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> The zombies in Blackops were really good, so I bought BO2 hoping for more of the same, the bus map and zombie Nuketown weren't fun at all and I ended up trading in the game. I would prefer Zombies to become a stand alone game.

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"We made it an Easter egg for those who completed the main campaign. " - How in the hell can you play waw and not do the campaign?

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<< LINK REMOVED >> I never touched the campaign, only played online with my buddies. I hated the campaign, it was too open for my liking.

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The zombies mode is great. My fondest memories are still from Modern Warfare 3 Spec Ops Survival, though.

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I'm really glad that it made it into the game.

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I wish it was

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I love how they thought Zombies would bring "disgrace to the franchise."

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WaW was cods golden age now its a bloody joke

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I'm

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Zombie games at least seem to be quite different form game to game, it's not really the same argument as modern FPS titles. DayZ and Dying Light might both be about zombies but are clearly very different games.

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Not me buddy, I'm playing Dying Light as we speak.

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They should have just killed it. Because we really need more zombie crap.

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I find this to be interesting read Justin Haywald :-)

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meh cod sucks. it died after MW2

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Cool.

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