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Games will never be considered culture if they don't broach sensitive subjects, Kojima says

Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima says "games will only be games" if developers don't "cross that line"; expects Ground Zeroes to be controversial.

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If games are to be thought of as more than just that--games--they need to broach sensitive subjects, according to Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima. During a roundtable interview with the veteran designer attended by GameSpot, Kojima outlined his vision for how video games can reach the cultural level of movies and books.

"If we don't cross that line, if we don't make attempts to express what we really want to express, games will only be games," Kojima said. "If we don't try to go beyond that, we won't be able to achieve what movies or novels have achieved. I didn't want to stay away from these things that could be considered sensitive. If we don't go that far, games will never be considered as culture.

Also during the interview, Kojima likened himself and his team at Kojima Productions to the characters from Breaking Bad, who stop at nothing to make their message known.

"In Breaking Bad, I also see that these guys are trying to go to the limit; trying to take it as far as they can to try to get their message across. For us as well. In games we have to go to the limit; we want to stay within this limit of how far...pushing the boundaries of conveying our message. We look around and we don't see too many games like this; that is unfortunate," he said.

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For Metal Gear Solid V, the game's central theme is that of revenge. And to get this point across, prologue Ground Zeroes will feature some scenes that Kojima expects will be controversial. That said, he explained that he's not going to tone down the game's content just because some people might take issue with what he has to say.

"One of the main topics of Metal Gear Solid V is this chain of revenge. That is something that I really didn't want to step back from, I really didn't want to go around it," Kojima said. "I know that I will probably face a lot of criticism because of it but I really wanted to portray that accurately."

Finally, Kojima stressed that though Metal Gear Solid V is going to push the envelope, he doesn't think all games need to do this. "I don't think necessarily that all games have to go this far; in our case we have a strong message that we want to convey," he said.

Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes, the prologue to Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, launches March 18 for Xbox 360, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4.

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Sorry Kojima, but after Biware, Bethesda, Ubisoft, and Levine, I for one, am sick of the propaganda.


I want a video game . . . not left wing talking points.
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<< LINK REMOVED >> course tnat is coming from a self proclaimed right wing

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Why does culture and art have to be left wing, necessarily?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> So . . . you didn't read the post.

You think Bioware has been putting right wing philosophies in their games?

How about Levine?

Yeah that's what I thought.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Anyway, if you're into some light reading, that pretty much debunks the anti-libertarian argument.

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@northArrow @bluefox755 I read a piece on it from a guy who apparently talked with Levine at length about the subject, Levine's goal was to show the downside of extremism apparently, There are many things about Rapture that are completely incompatible with objectivism. The first comment, not the OP. << LINK REMOVED >>

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<< LINK REMOVED >>The intent of Rapture was to be a libertarian haven. No Gods, no Kings, just man. Andrew Ryan even refused to regulate the plasmid market because he believed the market would regulate itself eventually. When the market didn't regulate itself all hell broke loose.

For me Rapture was a little too perfect example of how libertarianism would always devolve into totalitarianism, the guy with the most guns and money wins

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Not really, that wasn't his intent anyway I don't think, Bioshock wasn't a libertarian world, not even objectivist.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> As far as I understand it, Kojima is calling for more games to deal with sensitive, cultral issues in order that games might be taken more seriously... there's no mention of political affiliations either left or right.


As for Levine... I consider BioShock Infinite and its appalling depictions of the Labour Movement to be shockingly right wing.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> I thought Levine did a great job in Bioshock showing how Libertarianism would work.


-minus the splicing of course

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Such anger. Go get another cup of coffee. You did not sleep well last night. Breathe. It's games, man. Just games.

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You could always not buy them. Mindblowing as that concept may be.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>No, no. The intent is to put either "left wing" or "right wing" in a comment, thus starting a bazillion comment thread of predictable playful political banter.


I've always wondered what would happen if "left wing" and "right wing" appeared in the same post. Who would argue? Would the world end? Would we finally get along? Would I argue with myself?


Let's find out.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Peace is easier than a trick. The real trick is making man not stupid enough to pull the trigger that starts war. There is no cure for man except the end of them thus never will there be an end to war.


War is being used broadly that is any violent crime is an act of war on peace.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Oh man... dude.....

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No, thanks! Keep your peacock to yourself.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>How about a peacock? Two wings framed by a tail of great and wondrous beauty....


Shit I need coffee.

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Then this entire thing comes full circle.

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And what if I said it's a white dove, the Universal symbol of peace?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>It's early in the morning here. I'll get deeper when the coffee kicks in.

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toodeepforyou,bro

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>That was less deep.

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No, that's a bird.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> That's deep, man.

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@olddadgamer @shingui5 @Born_Lucky

A right wing and left wing coming together is a handshake. Thus world peace is born.

Maybe.

I don't know.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Wait. I've seen this comment before.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> I know

I got redirected to the wrong page, I deleted it and went to the right page . . this page

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Yeah like how this Sniper is wearing too many cloths and there being no such thing breasts that are too big.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> I don't care that sissies like you think that others don't have the right to voice their opinion

I'll do it anyway.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> When did I say anything of the sort? All I am saying is this is very rich coming from a guy who thought that outfit on her was acceptable. Might as well have gone all hog and just had her topless, showing off her new Brazilian Wax.

I mean it was all to get guys to buy the game right?

Cultured my ass.

And if the story in MGS gets any more lame it won't have chance to get any culture.

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Personally, I found the Bowser/Peach rape scene in the last Mario to be obnoxious and gratuitous. It did nothing to advance the story and was there just to generate free press for the game.

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I'll put this as elegantly as it needs to be. **** KOJIMA!

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wish this guy stopped talking

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Very sly, Gamespot. Putting in that Sniper picture to drum up controversy, even though the article doesn't mention her at all.

Very sly.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> She is featured in Ground Zeroes and has been a point of controversy/contention surrounding the game so far. That's why it's there.

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Oh, i get the point, and the irony, but to just out her picture there, with no reference to her at all, seems more like a ploy rather than trying to make a point.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Well if you get the point and irony (like I think most people do) then you know it isn't a ploy, right?

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@shingui5 It's a valid point that GS are making tho'. Kojima is talking about games being elevated to the level of cultural artefact, and then he's also like... "oh, and here's an inappropriately-dressed, busty sniper woman phwoar!"


Just Gamespot subtly pointing out the MASSIVE IRONY in what Kojima is saying... :)

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Even though her name is Quiet, no one will stay quiet about her, considering the way she looks. Well, it aint culture if no one is discussing it.

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Love or hate this guy, I wonder how he has time to make games with all the interviews and tweeting he does.

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Bewbs.

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i agree with his statement about video games


because we can't all have call of duties coming out every year and still try to argue that video games have artistic merit.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Dunno about that. Movies have their annual franchises that'll never win oscars. Doesn't mean that movies, as a whole, don't have artistic merit.


Every art form has it's money making predictable crap, and its art.

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@olddadgamer @supa_badmanEverything doesn't need to be one way or the other, it'd be way boring if all we had was CoD or pretentious games with a "message". As long as neither gets too much influence, I'm fine with it.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>But that doesn't mean that every game that claims to have a message, actually has a message worth listening to. Some games are just pretentious, some are great, but the important thing is that they're good as games.

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Just so we're clear, something isn't automatically 'pretentious', simply because it wants to make a point, or deliver a message.

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Maybe try 'breach', possibly?

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Does anyone even pay attention to this guy anymore. He makes Molyneux seem shy and fully capable of delivering on everything he promises by comparison. He is gaming's biggest troll. He took a stealth action game and turned it into a long boring soap opera miniseries. Now he is charging $30 for a demo.

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So basically, prejustifying the rape scene. Got it.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> And that scene in the trailer where they're cutting something out of a living, screaming person's gut. That was gruesome.

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Simply being brutally violent or sexually explicit doesn't make a game more culturally relevant.

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