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Games will never be considered culture if they don't broach sensitive subjects, Kojima says

Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima says "games will only be games" if developers don't "cross that line"; expects Ground Zeroes to be controversial.

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If games are to be thought of as more than just that--games--they need to broach sensitive subjects, according to Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima. During a roundtable interview with the veteran designer attended by GameSpot, Kojima outlined his vision for how video games can reach the cultural level of movies and books.

"If we don't cross that line, if we don't make attempts to express what we really want to express, games will only be games," Kojima said. "If we don't try to go beyond that, we won't be able to achieve what movies or novels have achieved. I didn't want to stay away from these things that could be considered sensitive. If we don't go that far, games will never be considered as culture.

Also during the interview, Kojima likened himself and his team at Kojima Productions to the characters from Breaking Bad, who stop at nothing to make their message known.

"In Breaking Bad, I also see that these guys are trying to go to the limit; trying to take it as far as they can to try to get their message across. For us as well. In games we have to go to the limit; we want to stay within this limit of how far...pushing the boundaries of conveying our message. We look around and we don't see too many games like this; that is unfortunate," he said.

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For Metal Gear Solid V, the game's central theme is that of revenge. And to get this point across, prologue Ground Zeroes will feature some scenes that Kojima expects will be controversial. That said, he explained that he's not going to tone down the game's content just because some people might take issue with what he has to say.

"One of the main topics of Metal Gear Solid V is this chain of revenge. That is something that I really didn't want to step back from, I really didn't want to go around it," Kojima said. "I know that I will probably face a lot of criticism because of it but I really wanted to portray that accurately."

Finally, Kojima stressed that though Metal Gear Solid V is going to push the envelope, he doesn't think all games need to do this. "I don't think necessarily that all games have to go this far; in our case we have a strong message that we want to convey," he said.

Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes, the prologue to Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, launches March 18 for Xbox 360, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4.

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The gaming media over reacted to god of war ascension like some lames, over an trophy and they had to change it to bros before foes or something, that was so wack!

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Huh? Did I miss something with GOW? I don't remember there being any issues.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Was that in English?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> He made a good point though so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt ;)

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So, is there a new Metal Gear game coming out soon? I can't tell what with the news page being utterly flooded with "Kojima this..." and "Kojima that...". I think we all got the point, about fifty thinly veiled ads ago. You know you guys run actual ads, right? You don't need to go crazy with advertising by blog post.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> I know.. between Phil Spencer and Hideo Kojima, they account for 50% of the articles on this site.

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Titanfall is the other 50% i presume?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Titanfall is the other 80%

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Titanfall doesn't hold a candle to the daily articles on what Kojima and Spencer say. If one of them farts, it becomes news on GameSpot.

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The man is a legend but my word, he don't half talk some shit

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Kojima: Stresses cultural significance in videogames.


Builds half naked characters with DD boobs.

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Oh, hello there Kojima! Games have been tackling mature themes since games with an actual PLOT started appearing.

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Yes... games will never be considered culture if they do not broach sensitive subjects. You are right. I wish games dealt with sensitive subjects. Alas we have hollow games that do not tackle serious issues like Bioshock, Last of Us, and Mass Effect. Clearly those are games that are just games. You know what I saying... -_-

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@Xx_DemonSoul_xX I think you're mistaking games that tackle sensitive subjects with games that have good plots and characters. Regardless, that's hardly a counter to his point. Two of those games are only about a year old. Do you see a long history of games tackling sensitive topics? Are games as culturally and artistically significant as movies and books? No.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> I think your a fanboy who misses the point and has no compass for humor.

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@Xx_DemonSoul_xX @TheNightMammoth Wow, looks like I was right on the money. Grab a tissue for those tears, there's no need to cry.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Gooood. I can feel the butthurt flow through you. Take your insults. Use them to strike me down. Give in to your anger.

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"games will only be games"

...What is wrong with that?

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Because they, in certain instances and forms, CAN be so much more. If they CAN, why shouldn't they be? Imagine if movies had stayed silent little clips of trains driving by. They were happy with that in 1900. But if it had stayed like that, we'd be less of for it, right?

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@olddadgamer @bluefox755Your comparison is really not valid to me, though I kind of get the point you're trying to make (even though I don't completely agree). The advancement of technology has very little to do with the actual maturity of the movies. Some of the best and memorable movies of all time are those silent movies.


The issue with doing this with game is that if it can become more than games, does it still stay games? In by trying to make it something more, could we lose the very thing that actually matter?

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Deeper is a fair word, I can agree with that.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>All right, how about instead of "so much more" something "so much deeper?"

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Because it implies that games are somehow not enough for gamers, and they are thirsting for social commentary with their games. Maybe some people are, but I certainly wouldn't call that scenario a 'better' one.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Who said anything about threatened? lol. I say it because I've read it, lots of times.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>No one is saying that. No one wants that. Folk like you need to stop feeling threatened.


Look, most movies are just good fun, some are artsy. Most music is poppy and fun, some is artsy. Most books are good bestselling beach reads, some are artsy. And someday, MOST games will be good ol' fashioned action fun, and some will be artsy.


And that's ok.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> I don't think people care if devs wanna put social commentary, or even propaganda in their games, that's free speech. Just the notion that is what all games should aspire to, is a bit of a pretentious one, not to mention wrong. Kojima isn't saying this, but many in the game journalism world are.

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@Kinguard73 @bluefox755@olddadgamerI'll do it for you:


Also, to the whiners, Kojima flat out said not all games have to push the button. Geezus, you all need to calm down. There will never stop being tons of games devoted to gameplay and simple stories, but don't get all butthurt if certain developers want to try something different. That's just imposing unnecessary creative limitations on the industry, and shame on anyone who does that.

-Kamina85, right below me.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Yes because I really want political and religious BS in my games. Wait no I don't because I accept one form I gotta take them all and really I don't want that.

One day I might see some guy taking on a donkey.. wait too late that South Park game has that already... sigh... see what I mean? =)

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>Scroll down a little and read what Kamina85 wrote. That's the best reply here.

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I think the article made a major typo. I'm pretty sure Kojima likened himself and his co-workers to the CREW of Breaking Bad, not the actual characters. If Kojima actually thought they were like the BB characters, then somebody better contact the authorities on a meth tip and check to make sure none of the people at Kojima Productions have mysteriously gone missing.


Also, to the whiners, Kojima flat out said not all games have to push the button. Geezus, you all need to calm down. There will never stop being tons of games devoted to gameplay and simple stories, but don't get all butthurt if certain developers want to try something different. That's just imposing unnecessary creative limitations on the industry, and shame on anyone who does that.

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*stands up*

*Claps*

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Careful... someone might call you a communist for thinking....

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