East India Company Updated Impressions - Trading, Combat, and Gameplay

jetlee the fact that u have to say O go to china shows your argument is bs. On top of that worldwide if you look at the countries that are for example in the g8, the richest most powerful ppl etc. Are all white males. And you cannot be blamed for their actions but, stuff hasnt stopped and you benefit from their actions. If your ancestors stole land from someone else and murdered them do u not benefit from it? Is debt not passed on to descendants? Nuff said and sin said the truth too wtf prove colonization was bad? Lay off the pipe jet

Jetlee, firstly, I never heard of Norman Borlag but upon searching for him on wikipedia I've found out he was born in America in 1914! So what are you talking about?? I never said everything that came out of colonies was bad anyway, just that by and large it was a very bad thing for the people off those lands - unless you believe that enslavement, mass slaughter and induced famines were a good thing.

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Here's the difference between this game and other games that portray violence or historical events: In this game you can only play as one side (as far as I'm aware at least). Most games either give the opportunity to play as both sides during historical events or as the right side, ie the allies. In this game its entirely about recreating the exploitation and colonisation of foreign lands by European powers, which therefore portrays that whole episode as a good and desirable thing. It wouldn't be much different if there was a game to come out about being a slave trader or the commandant of a concentration camp. People forget that hundreds of thousands of people were killed or allowed to starve to death by the British East India company and others, it definitely was a very bad thing for the people of those lands.

history cannot be erased or only be shown the good side of it. its with the mistakes of the past that we, humankind, can grow, develop and try to be better. if you say that this game has that and its wrong to be shown or whatever, probably any games that include killing should be banned since its wrong to kill, enslave, etc... and we would all start to play only pet care games, thats way funnier than any other games (not)

to carry on with useless pointless discussions: I could care less about, nazis, slaves, imperialists, are any other human affiliation of any shapes or form... All i want to know and make sure off is that there is raats on those ships!!! If there is no rats i won't be buying this game! Nuff said. _ this comment sponsored by: here we go! another useless comment about this game! company

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What the???... you strategists are ??>

Iron Zealot the problem with your statement about WW2 is that today Germans are not stigmatized or opressed any more or any less than any other white ppl and blend in and are a part of the white power structure. Germany is also a 1st world country on the other hand.... Only 1 or 2 ppl actually understood why ppl (and not white ppl lol but everbody else) would have a problem with stuff like this. For all the talk people give about not being racist, tolerant, etc the thumbs up and down should tell you everything you need to know. Any of the comments agreeing with the point I made or pointing out that yes the POV you would subscribe to as a white american, european etc is not the same one that the rest of the world has for many reasons. The truth gets a thumbs down while the comments with lies that feel nice and fluffy get thumbs up. Are yall the same people who eat comfort food?

This whole get over it thing really irks me because most of the ppl who commented on here (with a few exceptions yall know who you are) seem to think that this stuff has no effect whatsoever today or they even seem to think that colonialism and slavery stopped today. Iraq and Afganistan war? CIA destabilizing and toppling governments in the 3rd world? Africom? Economic Imperialism? Yall governments admit to this stuff you just dont want to believe that the "Land of the free, home of the brave = Indigineous holocaust and the home of the slaves". The one fact that you can choose when race matters and when it doesnt should speak volumes to you.

the problem is a lot of ppl seem to have a problem realizing that the stuff in this game is wrong they seem to think otherwise. but Ozbej racist towards white people? ROFL 1st of all every singe white person alive benefits from the stuff in the past as well as the racism that occurs towards POC today becuase it puts POC at a disadvantage while at the same time it puts white people at an advantage. Saying something is racist towards white people is like saying something is sexist towards men it doesnt happen.

Its a historical game those crimes and bad things like colonialism and slavery actually happened, so i dont see why anyone should feel guilty over playing a game that brings those issues that actually happened up, if people ignore the truth and reality then history could repeat itself. so its ok to play a game and enslave people, because at the same time a person is seeing how wrong it is. it can realise how wrong it actually was and learn from the bad things humans done in the past. and people should learn from the past and move on, there are alot of people nowadays suffering from slavery and sex traffic no matter their color or ethnicity why not focus on that . cant wait to play it sounds really fun , i enjoyed sid meyers pirates altho a bit too simple and not completely exploited for its potential, so if a game pics that up and adds more to it its bound to be nice

It would be nice if we could play as the Maratha Empire and try to stave off destruction by the East India Company (plus you might not feel as guilty playing)

I'm a white European but I think people complaining that this game makes colonialism seem ok have a point. In this game, unlike in other Paradox games like Europa Universalis, you can only play as a European power off to conquer and enslave black and Asian nations and people. So there is no pretense that this is a game of all nations competing against each other, the only part Africa and Asia will play in this game is as territory to be conquered and exploited, as if it were the natural thing to do.

SempiternalTrut: This game is nothing like Empire: total war, it just shares the same setting. This will focus on economic management and not empire building. To all the people crying about the crimes of the real life EIC: It's a freaking game, get over yourself. There are strategy games in which you can play as the germans in WWII, should these game be boycotted because of the crimes of the nazis? There's no sense in denying history, nor in ascribing the values of modern times to the people of history. The EIC is simply as interesting historical entity that would make for a good game, it's really no more sinister than that.

looks like empire total war but nerfed

looks promising

I really don't think most people would give a crap if this or any other game was POC or anyone else enslaving white people. In fact, the viewpoint you yourself hold could be viewed as racist towards white people who have had zero to do with the acts of others over 100 years ago. It's a game... get over yourself.

also zuljin what if it was POC enslaving white ppl in a game would u still feel the same way? Adress ur racism it there no matter how hard u deny it

@kanibis the fact that it stilll there doesnt excuse it just shows that the myths white ppl tell themselves and others while ignoring what POC like me say all the time are there. and zuljin the thing is that u can talk about it casually because you are white. And remembering not to do it yourself hmm if ur country is doing it and ur passively or actively supporting it then what?

I can't help but think slave trading would be fun. Fun in a slightly guilty way certainly, and you'd have to be able to found small settlements to put them to work or you wouldn't get the full benefit and experience of the slave-trader. Conversely options to set them free. Like capture the flag/slave. Perhaps combining a certain number of slaves with a certain amount of tobacco would set up a tobacco plantation at a friendly port to bring in a steady income? I think rape is going a bit far even for an adult game but I see nothing wrong with pillaging... they're only polygons and pixels. And not everybody is ashamed of their colonial legacy. Bad things happened before and since. Just remembering not to do it yourself is sufficient.

Hmm, looks good to me. I just hope the naval combat aspect is well developed. Though I loved Sid Meier's Pirates! I found that once I started to use a couple of tricks, the naval combat segments got waaay too easy. Also @ desi: Easy there. We can also ask why WW2 have Nazis in them and besides all the stuff you blame on the EIC is still with us today.

Am I supposed to even be surprised? barely 30 years since the entire south asian subcontinent gained indepenance and with colonial funded and colonial style wars going all thru the african continent ppl still coming out with these games that they think are "cool". What's so cool about playing as the company that in 150 years ruled under 28 famines, with over 100 million deaths and possibly the largest famine in history. Under indigienous rule there were 8 famines with about 5 million deaths in 2000 years of records translated so far. Why not just go all the way and include the slave trading the company was involved in as well the rape and pillaging of innocent villages all under the guise of white privelege and white supremacy? White ppl can ignore it because they dont live it me as long as this kind of stuff as well as what I described happens my fist staying high in the air.

@Gelugon_baat - I agree with what you said. Although hating Turn based game of any type, I'm glad its real time.

Mere trading of commodities (and the nuances of trading goods) would get me bored and getting involved in lots of wars and piracy (if piracy is allowed in this game) soon enough. I hope there is going to be more features, such as adding value to goods (much like what the player can do in Civilizations: Colonies) before actually selling them, and, most preferably, land battles.

This game has got my stamp of approval :D

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I guess that this game will be a reference point in the future when talking about "Naval Strategy" games. In a single word a "CLASSIC"

@Avenger1324: then subscribe to theirs newsletter ! I've done so a few months back, and now i'm so worked up about this, that i gobble everything they throw in the news. And there's also a video on GS .

refreshing.

can't tell much from the two screenshots, but I'd be interested in finding out more on the strategy and trading side of the game. any word on a demo?

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